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kildaire120 Apr 29, 9:39 a.m.
How many of those who plan or have voted FOR the Amendment, would have also voted FOR slavery, AGAINST De-segrated Schools, and AGAINST Women's right to vote, Civil Rights in general,etc.??
To preserve our State and US Constitutions, we MUST keep church and state separate. Look what has happened all through history, all over the world, when these two forces have merged.
HateIsNOTaFamilyValue Apr 27, 8:11 a.m.
"One thought. Almost everything we do as a people can be tracked historically in other, older cultures.
If you do an honest assessment of the introduction of homosexual behavior in a society, what does history report? If you think it had no impact or positive impact, you have not read enough." -
You mean like the Roman Empire...
~500 BC Roman Republic established which eventually becomes the Roman Empire. The majority religion at this time is Paganism.FACT Pagan Rome openly and commonly practices homosexuality .
380 AD the Roman Empire adopts Christianity as its official religion.
476 AD the Roman Empire collapses after nearly a thousands years and just 96 years as a Christian Country.
fatchanceson Apr 27, 8:10 a.m.
I completely agree that a marriage is between one man and one woman. However, this bill addresses much more.
Important to note that voting against this bill will not change current law, BUT voting for it will affect families, both gay and streight, and their children, and WOULD result in children loosing benefits.
This is why I HATE politicians and their smoke and mirror politics. It's no wonder our country is in shambles...
jennanenglish Apr 26, 1:52 p.m.
Wow, As a former North Carolinian, I will be disgusted if this amendment passes. The vitriolic hate spewed from religious, close-minded people in this state makes me glad I moved away. Citing religious passes does NOT justify legal means. Separation of Church and State, that is what this nation was founded on. Don't force everyone to believe your fables and stories.
gordonbabe Apr 26, 1:14 p.m.
This is an complete waste of time. Aren't there ENOUGH issues facing our state that are more important and effect everyone rather than wasting time (not to mention money) on re-writing the state constitution.
I'm a born and bred Christian and believe marriage should be betw a man/woman. I also have friends and co-workers who are gay. I do not judge them and it's none of NC's business to do so either.
Being gay may not be a choice, but marriage is. If gays "choose" to marry; let them. Don't waste our time & tax money REWRITING the constitution.
If this is passed... what's next?
umjustsayin Apr 26, 11:24 a.m.
Danny22- what if your grandchildren turn out to be gay?
Danny22 Apr 26, 10:22 a.m.
I have had several friends who were gay. What they do is their business but they don't have a right to change the definition of marriage.
Danny22 Apr 26, 10:20 a.m.
I will vote for it to try to prevent gay marriage from becoming legal. In states like California, the public schools are teaching alternative lifestyles and I don't want my grandchildren exposed to that. In NY, Catholic orphanages have had to battle over their right to place children in homes where there is a mother and father.
MyOwnTwoCents Apr 26, 9:50 a.m.
I personally believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman but because the way the admendment is worded I may have to vote against it.
umjustsayin Apr 26, 8:31 a.m.
brainybabs- I agree, that's why some people are saying that if this does pass it will eventually be overturned by the Supreme Ct- hopefully it will not come to that.
Seems to me people are in a twist about the term marriage (and the moral/religious aspects). The disconnect I hear is that many people don't have a problem with the legal recognition of same sex couples, but don't realize that the wording of this amendment makes any legal recognition against the state constitution.
rose08106188 Apr 26, 4:49 a.m.
IF NC WOULD PASS THE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE , THE PROBLEMS WOULD BE SOLVED IN THE AMENDANT,
brainybabs Apr 25, 10:10 p.m.
As I passed basic civics courses, I would like to point out that constitutional law is about what the governments can and cannot do, they are not designed for matters of domestic unions. This should not even be up for a vote, let those who oppose non-hetero marriage take it to civil or criminal courts for a new law. Heaven only knows what the next amendment could be, perhaps banning inter-racial marriage?
lloydbutch372 Apr 25, 9:47 p.m.
For those of you who don't understand and think that being gay is a choice... Why would anyone choose to be gay??? Seriously? Its like saying you choose to be black or white or handicapped. You see all the bad things in the news and assume that must be what we are all about. What you don't see is that we are your neighbors, your co-workers and your friends. We care deeply about the same things you care about. You try and set us up because you think we are lonely or because we would be a good catch for your friend. We teach your children and protect your country. Some of you think we are sick and perverted. Our parents feel responsible and wish they could help us change. In some countries including here in the USA we are killed by people who hate us or they are afraid of becoming us. How would you feel if I were your child? Would you want me to marry? Have children? Be happy? So do my parents. I don't care if its called a marriage or a union I just want equal rights!
bbarnhill4 Apr 25, 9:26 p.m.
If WRAL had wanted the poeple of NC to know the truth about the Marriage Amendment, you would have interviewed those who sponsored the amendment. I feel that you were very biased.
lloydbutch372 Apr 25, 9:11 p.m.
How many of our children have killed themselves because they were gay and felt it wasn't accepted by family or friends?Everything they see and hear is negative and they have no rights. Lets see how many couples are married and miserable because acceptance by society is more important than their own hapiness so instead they cheat (after having children trying to make it better). If everyone was meant to procreate then why are so many unable to do so? Why do so many children die from starvation and neglect? With all the corruption in the world and in our politics and all the str8 married couples cheating on their spouse and in the news everyday how can my being gay hurt you or your marriage? Just for the record I believe in God and have no problem with religion or someone else having an opinion but I don't think I should be stopped from seeing my partner in the hospital because I'm not married. Living together for 20 years should give me some rights.
obx4ever Apr 25, 7:28 p.m.
WWJD! I don't think HE would be in the busness of condeming people.peace, love, love one another, hum...
canuseethelightofday Apr 25, 12:20 p.m.
One thought. Almost everything we do as a people can be tracked historically in other, older cultures.
If you do an honest assessment of the introduction of homosexual behavior in a society, what does history report? If you think it had no impact or positive impact, you have not read enough.
umjustsayin Apr 25, 12:16 p.m.
Does anyone know if this documentary is available online to watch or will be aired again? I missed it.
Click to view my profile RWS
smegma Apr 25, 12:04 p.m.
it's on this exact webpage. click the play button
RWS Apr 25, 10:57 a.m.
Does anyone know if this documentary is available online to watch or will be aired again? I missed it.
baydraftmare Apr 25, 10:28 a.m.
If gays have the legal right to marry someone of the opposite sex currently, then logic would dictate straight people would have the legal right to marry individuals of the same sex if they so choose if same sex unions were legal. I.e. it would be legal for any adult to consent to marry any other adult, period. But it isn't legal in NC. So same sex unions won't be happening whether or not this ammendment is passed. Now what could happen is that some benefits that same sex couples are able to get right now could be taken away. Currently healthcare providers can offer benefits to someone's partner, but if the ammendment passes that may not be recognized anymore. Now that IS taking away the rights of some. This also can affect un-married hetero-sexual couples, these people might have issues with thier health insurance benefits as well, and if they have children together, that could be even more of a paperwork nightmare for them. If the ammendment does NOT pass, NOT ONE THING will
notjustmom Apr 25, 10:04 a.m.
Second half of my post-
America is better than this! If you want to be married in the eyes of "Your God"...your choice. If I want to be joined to another under the laws of "Our State"...my choice. Perhaps our lawmakers would be better off to address issues that are truly detrimental to "marriage", such as drugs, alcohol abuse, gambling abuse, and pornography.
umjustsayin Apr 25, 10:00 a.m.
Joefrieda- "I didn't understand why not finding a pro-amend CEO to go on camera was as big of an issue as WRAL made it out to be. What difference does that make?"
I think that the lack of CEO representing "pro" amendment in contrast to the list of some 75 NC CEOs/business leaders shows the possible economic impact to the state should the amendment pass.
notjustmom Apr 25, 8:20 a.m.
Countries with mandatory civil marriage: In most European countries there is a civil ceremony requirement. Following the civil marriage ceremony, couples are free to marry in a religious ceremony. Such ceremonies, however, only serve to provide a religious recognition of the marriage, since the state's recognition has already been given. In some of these countries (e.g. Belgium and the Netherlands) most couples get married without any religious ceremony at all. Full, formal weddings, complete with wedding gowns and the presence of family and friends, are usually conducted in special ceremonial rooms in the town hall.
Countries with no civil marriage: There is no civil marriage in many Arab countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Mauritania, as well as in Indonesia, Iran and Israel, among other countries; all marriages are conducted by religious authorities, and are registered by civil authorities only after having been registered by authorities
joefrieda Apr 24, 8:49 p.m.
Fairly well balanced. However, a key point that I think a legislator was trying to make, but was probably edited out is, legally, there is no discrimination in the amend. Discrimination denies one group rights that another group has. Both gay & straight people have the right to marry - the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Gays want a right that no one has - the right to marry someone of the same sex. Also, I didn't understand why not finding a pro-amend CEO to go on camera was as big of an issue as WRAL made it out to be. What difference does that make? The anti-amend CEO (gay & wants to marry his partner) went on camera because he has a personal stake in the issue and it makes sense that he would want to have his views heard. Also, the doc states/shows how there are only small rallies for the amendment. It neglected to show the rally with thousands of supporters on April 20th that WRAL covered- perhaps it occurred after the piece was edited.
marya0909 Apr 24, 8:46 p.m.
This is not a pro or anti-marriage amendment. It is an amendment that defines "domestic legal union" in a very specific way, and the question is - does our state constitution need to do that? No.
umjustsayin Apr 24, 8:01 p.m.
"watched WRAL's documentary on the marriage amendment with disappointment that the news organization chose to use its broadcasting resources and talent to weigh in on the political debate."
News organizations use their talent/resources to weigh in on political issues all the time- it's what they do...
"WRAL elevated same-sex relationships to the level of traditional marriage in a civil rights framework and discounted a God-ordained institution"
Not sure what you are implying about same sex relationships being "elevated" to that of traditional marriages...and I did not see any evidence that WRAL discounted "a God-ordained institution"...did we watch the same program?
japurvis01 Apr 24, 6:38 p.m.
I watched WRAL's documentary on the marriage amendment with disappointment that the news organization chose to use its broadcasting resources and talent to weigh in on the political debate. Although the station didn't overtly express opposition to the amendment, the format of the program (sympathy music, organization) conveyed disapproval. In the name of balanced reporting, WRAL elevated same-sex relationships to the level of traditional marriage in a civil rights framework and discounted a God-ordained institution and significant arguments of amendment supports, including the fact that legalization of same-sex marriage in some states has led to related laws/court decisions in violation of free exercise of religion. This tension between equality and free exercise, as well as the fact that the amendment would not prevent businesses from voluntarily providing benefits to domestic partners of employees, was not addressed. The program left me with little confidence in WRAL's objectivity.
mamawizarddancing Apr 24, 2:42 p.m.
People keep on talking about the Bible said this and that. It also says that God KNOWS before you are even born what you will be in your life. Leave Gays alone. Some are a lot better people than straight people. Besides look at all the sexual assults going on now. Are these people gay? There are more things going on in this world that we need to be concerned about that this. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Clean out your own life before you go messing with others lives.God Bless ! I rather be around some Gay couples than straight.
demario Apr 24, 2:22 p.m.
There's no reason that these leads could not read "...an amendment banning any legal union other than marriage..." or, if you prefer, "...an amendment making marriage the only legal union...". Call it what it is and let people make up their own minds whether they're okay with that. Beautifully written. Its not just about a man and woman it is about equality for all. Why can't we separate law and religion? It is about a law not a religion.
jbengel Apr 24, 9:54 a.m.
I almost didn't watch this piece last night because I didn't feel like an issue this broad could be represented in half an hour. I was right -- and wrong. For the most part it was even handed, but still fell into the trap that has been getting my goat from the beginning. When you lead with "...an amendment that would define marriage..." (which it doesn't) or "...an amendment to ban gay marriage..." (which is at best only part of the story) you're setting yourself up to present a half-truth. Because in most news stories, unfortunately, what people remember is the exposition. So, intentionally or unintentionally, WRAL -- and others -- are editorializing a news story. There's no reason that these leads could not read "...an amendment banning any legal union other than marriage..." or, if you prefer, "...an amendment making marriage the only legal union...". Call it what it is and let people make up their own minds whether they're okay with that.
indrdw Apr 23, 8:57 p.m.
Just watched some of the video from Karen and Chris. I was so sad before but now more so, my heart and soul heavy. Sad is a word I heard a lot from them.
For me sad is because people ca
As for me, a straight woman, mother, wife, grandmother I am moved to no end for those who have no voice.
So many people are being led as lambs to a slaughter. People who call themselves Christian are not all mean and hateful but it has gotten so the work Christian denotes a mean spirited person to many whom they have hurt. Christian actions and words have made our children flee organized religion, they have made our children look elsewhere for fellowship.
Just so sad. If passed,it will be a black mark on our churches and state in history. Remember when the church blessed slavery, said blacks did not have souls. Read history past and you will see what will be written about NC.
dhaskins Apr 23, 8:20 p.m.
Thank you for a timely, objective special on the amendment one. I stand against this and hope everyone will. No one should tell anyone else how to live. You did another GREAT JOB! Please have more.
indrdw Apr 23, 8:05 p.m.
pmwyckof you are so right. People are so deceived by the headlines about amendment one. IT changes nothing for gays because there is already a law forbidding same sex marriage. It actually harms those couples that have live as domestic partners and there are far more of these than gay couples that will also be hurt. You are talking about citizens with families that pay taxes.
A lot of these religious bigots will have a lot to answer for if they do get to where they think they are going. Some might be surprised where they end up.
Our God is not a bigot and he is not hateful.
Be a Christ follower not an ecclesiastical leaders that say what they think God says. Keep your cultural religion out of our constitution. Better yet study the amendment and the places that have done this to their citizens. Decide only after you study the facts not after you hear your preacher tell you how to vote.
Makes me want to cry
dcfloyd73 Apr 23, 7:51 p.m.
Thanks WRAL for presenting both sides in a very classy manner. I am completely against the amendment and only hope that more citizens choose to vote the same way on May 8 after viewing your work. As a gay man in a relationship of nearly 11 years in the state I was born in and love, I was hurt by some of the derogatory words used by some of those interviewed. "Behavior" and "Bigotry" and "Sodomy" are not in my vocabulary and also not part of the many heterosexual people we call family and friends. I understand both sides of the issue as a Christian and a homosexual but I cannot and will not fathom how much intolerance, discrimation and downright hate can still exist as much as it does today. I never chose to be gay. Why would I choose to be something that would open doors to such pain? I am a child of God just like everyone else and my God and Christ never meant for any of this to happen. My partner, our daugher and I as well as our "tiny population" will always be loved by Him.
quikdraw2 Apr 23, 7:46 p.m.
If it passes, I will hold my breathe. I feel that in the near future, NC residents will realize what they have voted into law and how it effects themselves, family, and friends. Be careful what you vote for (i.e. Stand Your Ground in Fla.) I am native to NC, grew up Southern Baptist. I hoped by the time I reached 55, that the state would be much more accepting. I hope it surprises me in a wonderful way on May 8.
dmonkovich Apr 23, 7:12 p.m.
In America we can experience the freedom to practice our religion. Adding Amendment One imposes one's religious view on others and adds more discrimination to our constitution, when over the years we have worked so hard to remove it. We need to practice religious tolerance; I will not tell you how to live according to my beliefs and you stay out of mine. We are also ignoring the OTHER part of this amendment. It clearly states that marriage between one woman and one man will be "the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this state." This will not only affect same sex couples but will ALSO AFFECT UNMARRIED HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES. Amendment One poses harm to harm to unmarried women by potentially removing domestic violence rights, poses a threat to ALL UNMARRIED COUPLES by denying each others' access to healthcare benefits, AND if that does not give you cold chills, then consider the children of unmarried couples and how that will affect them.
umjustsayin Apr 23, 6:26 p.m.
God also created gay people.
pmwyckoff Apr 23, 6:20 p.m.
How can anyone think that they can change God's Law: Marriage between man and woman, that they are to reproduce.. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. We need to fix it where a person can not just go into a doctor's office and get pregant. After awhile we will not know who is relative. Christians need to step forward and protect God's Law not just set back and let man try to change what is man and woman.
twilightcullen96 Apr 23, 6:01 p.m.
Marrage is between a man and woman only! God created man and woman to be together only. I think its crazy that we got to even vote on this.
capttecsr1 Apr 23, 5:54 p.m.
We have had bigets back in the 40's and 50's now whe have them in our electicted officals. The gay people have the same right like all of us that have familys.Its time for the church and the other bigets to step down and let all people live free in there choice of partners. My first job was when i was 16 back in 1956 was a curb hop that was when lots of my friends that were black could not ride in frount of the buss or go to white resturants we got by that now you bigets want to start something else just like the ncaa prseent he wants to jump on the band waggo to start things up. i never hear him say any thing about his on peope killing eacg other.Let FREEDOM RING FOR ALL THERE ON RIGHTS SHOUD BE ONE FOR ALL.
Ml08180 Apr 23, 3:35 p.m.
I think we just need to stop trying to legislate what we see as moral living. You can have whatever religious views you want, but there's a clear part of the constitution that states that Church and State are to be kept seperate. This INCLUDES when a large group of people still agree. When you let the majority decide how everyone can live based on religious texts, you live in a theocracy, not a democracy.
indrdw Apr 23, 8:40 a.m.
Imbeller, I agree. Problem is this is being promoted as a 'protect marriage' amendment all the while this is already written into NC law.
This is all fundamentalist see and hear. They will vote for the amendment without caring to see what it will do to many North Carolinian families, not just same sex couples.
I as a Christian do not think Jesus has led me to follow nor do anything that will harm other human beings.
VOTE AGAINST using our constitution to further someone elses' doctrine
raleighdurham Apr 16, 9:54 a.m.
the list of consequences to passing this amendment goes on and on, and the negative effects have been seen in other states to pass similar legislation, like ohio.
if this amendment is defeated, same-sex marriage will still be illegal in north carolina. (so, nothing will change if you vote against and beat this amendment, and a lot of people will suffer if this is passed.)
please keep this in mind when voting on may 8th and wral, please keep the true decision being made by this vote in mind when writing future articles.
raleighdurham Apr 16, 9:41 a.m.
i know this will sound petty, but the wording at the start of this article really bothers me: "On May 8 North Carolina voters will head to the polls and decide whether or not to approve a constitutional amendment that would ban same-sex marriage."
if this amendment was just about banning same-sex marriage, it wouldn't be half as big a deal as it is. but what the amendment really does is ask voters: are you for or against changing the constitution to say that the ONLY legal domestic partnership to be recognized by this state is a marriage between one man and one woman.
the last half is waht we remember and what we focus on, but the first half is equally important. making marriage the only legally valid relationship will outlaw civil unions for both straight and gay couples. if civil unions are dissolved and families torn apart, this amendment will put children's well-being at risk as they lose health insurance and won't be legally the custody of one of their parents. the list of conse
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