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  • TAKES_TO2_TANGO Mar 21, 4:40 p.m.

    wmp8396....I do know people in Canada and all of them seem to love the way their healthcare system is working for them.

  • TAKES_TO2_TANGO Mar 21, 4:26 p.m.

    "All while Obama slashes military healthcare and raised premiums & copays for military retirees."

    Good, less of my tax money.
    unclegrits

    Wow! Don't wanna even pry your wallet open for people who faught and were willing to die for you and this country you live in. Wow, our country really is in the sand

  • TAKES_TO2_TANGO Mar 21, 4:11 p.m.

    Any of you that do not think we should have free healthcare for everyone needs to watch SICKO. What is our country coming to if we spend more time trying to help people overseas and turning the other check to our own problems at home?

  • redrubberball1 Mar 21, 9:36 a.m.

    67% of Americans want Obamacare repealed. I am one of them.

  • redrubberball1 Mar 21, 9:32 a.m.

    I don't think any of us will be well served by a govt. takeover of our healthcare. Actually, just the opposite will occur. What we really need badly is for the entire healthcare industry to have to compete to drive down costs.

  • wmp8396 Mar 21, 9:24 a.m.

    I find humor in the comments which suggest socialized health care is so good and desirable in many other countries, such as Canada and Great Britain. These are likely from people who don't have friends in both of these places. I worked with people from around the world for ten years, many from the UK and Canada. Seems they beg to differ, greatly with the socialized medicine is 'the best' mantra. Quite the opposite actually---as they worked overtime to move to the USA for what---primarily our health care delivery system. My UK friends would often share stories where people had to wait months for just an appointment--and if they needed non-life threatening surgery, again, months on end to have the surgery. Months, not weeks. Health care is rationed there--so if you just so happen to discover your disease/injury whatever at the end of the budget cycle, too bad--wait. No, Obamacare, i.e. socialized medicine will greatly diminish your health care delivery system.

  • Alex25 Mar 20, 7:20 p.m.

    Get THEE Govt out of and away from Hcare. Now. Today.

  • esteryates69 Mar 20, 5:35 p.m.

    It a shame the elderly,have to suffer go with out being able to go to doctors,can get the much need medications,have surgery,they need,hospital copay can not afford.After 53 years years both of us working,good jobs,plan and saved for retirement,recession high cost of ever thing,our money is gone.The old people throw to curb and they just hoping they died soon.esteryates69@yahoo.com

  • atozca Mar 20, 4:17 p.m.

    "Just about every industrialized nation on earth has universal healthcare. They pay less than we do in the US and are healthier." billo

    lol, tell that to the Canadians who are coming here because they can't get the healthcare they need in their own country. I can't believe that you are so snowed.

  • Pseudonym Mar 20, 3:55 p.m.

    When you pay a $20 copay without knowing whether the doctor bills your insurance company $20, $200, or $2,000, you are also part of the problem. Start shopping around for your doctors and then INSIST on keeping costs low. You WILL pay the cost in higher premiums.

  • LambeauSouth Mar 20, 3:45 p.m.

    The reality is that when you get government out of the way...there are no un-employed. The elderly...we should continue to care for them.

    really? did you submit this claim to the House, seems they need an idea

    Any idea

  • bill0 Mar 20, 3:39 p.m.

    "The reality is that when you get government out of the way...there are no un-employed."

    That made me almost fall out of my chair laughing.

    "Go get a drivers license...and imagine yourself sitting at a doctors office where no one cares how fast you're taking care of"

    Ha! I don't have to imagine. Doctors almost ALWAYS keep people waiting.

    "Someone has to prove to me that by having mandatory health insurance that it will lower the cost of premiums"

    Just about every industrialized nation on earth has universal healthcare. They pay less than we do in the US and are healthier. Do you honestly believe that everyone else can figure it out but somehow americans are too dumb?

  • ObamaMustGo aka NCcarguy Mar 20, 3:05 p.m.

    "exactly how do ther umemployed pay for services? or the elderly?"

    The reality is that when you get government out of the way...there are no un-employed. The elderly...we should continue to care for them.

  • ObamaMustGo aka NCcarguy Mar 20, 3:04 p.m.

    "I can sum the problem up in one word: GREED"

    You're sorta right, just I'll guess you were referring to insurance companies being greedy. The REAL greed is politicians that promise things in the attempt to buy votes. These guys have never really done anything for the good of everyone.

    When you put government in the middle of any issue, the efficiencies go down, and the costs goes up.

    Profits are not evil, despite the current Obama administrations attempt to make them that way. Profits encourage competition, which encourages efficiencies. These efficiences relate to lower costs, and that gets passed on to the consumer.

    Government works the exact opposite way. No one is incentivised to work harder or faster. Go get a drivers license...and imagine yourself sitting at a doctors office where no one cares how fast you're taking care of, and the Doctor can only make what the government wants to pay. That's a scary thought.

  • LambeauSouth Mar 20, 2:42 p.m.

    Why do people perpetuate this myth. Anyone can obtain medical care. Why do you expect people who do not, will not, or can not pay, be provided with Free care. I don't and of course it is not free. Because of the nonsense laws we are all paying for the people that do not pay.
    whatelseisnew
    You didn't pay attention when they called out for Brains......
    exactly how do ther umemployed pay for services? or the elderly?

  • LambeauSouth Mar 20, 2:40 p.m.

    So when you liberals stop lying to yourself, we can have a conversation.
    TheAdmiral
    You mean like Death Panels, seems the T/pers are still using that one, and the funny truth is that the GOP's agenda is the Death Panels, but hey admiral as long as you don't tip over driving the boat all's well hey?

  • cbwojcik5 Mar 20, 2:15 p.m.

    Someone has to prove to me that by having mandatory health insurance that it will lower the cost of premiums. Insurance companies as far as I am concerned are nothing but legalized protection. They will find a way to raise rates. Using administration cost is always a good black hole. Car dealerships even use that to add hundreds of dollors on a purchase.

    In other words mandatory health insurance is not a fix, only another stress inducer by having another bill you can't pay but have to.

  • TheAdmiral Mar 20, 2:03 p.m.

    '"BCBS makes Billions is profits every year."

    I live for the day that they collapse under their own weight.'

    So then - you are for the government putting another baaa-baaa in the mouth of the people.

    You don't get it. The givernment is not the answer. Adding to the debit does not make it better. There has to be skin in the game by the individual or they continue to be irresponsible.

  • TheAdmiral Mar 20, 1:54 p.m.

    "There is something fundamentally wrong when a country like ours has no safety net for people in terms of health care."

    This is a lie that liberals tell themselves because they don't get the facts straight. The fact is that the severe minority of the people who say they can not get health care are the very same ones who never go.

    Just like the Veterans who don't go to the VA, and the hobo's that don't go to the hospital.

    Anyone walking through a public hospital do not get turned away. If they went to a specialist, that is very different.

    So when you liberals stop lying to yourself, we can have a conversation.

  • beachbum1 Mar 20, 1:50 p.m.

    Fact:
    I needed to have my gallbladder removed so I asked the Dr approximately what the cost was. Dr. said he gets $1000 and his last patient paid like $20,000 w/o insurance. Rex's estimate was 50% LESS than my actual cost. I paid what they told me I owed BEFORE I had surgery then I got ANOTHER bill a couple weeks later stating I owed another $1200+ So it was one price w/Insurance and another w/o. All bs

  • whatelseisnew Mar 20, 1:38 p.m.

    "There is something fundamentally wrong when a country like ours has no safety net for people in terms of health care."

    Why do people perpetuate this myth. Anyone can obtain medical care. Why do you expect people who do not, will not, or can not pay, be provided with Free care. I don't and of course it is not free. Because of the nonsense laws we are all paying for the people that do not pay.

  • whatelseisnew Mar 20, 1:36 p.m.

    "I will say as someone who is a BCBS provider that they haven't raised my rate of reimbursement in almost 20 years. I am not allowed to charge my patients more than their allowable. "

    Then stop accepting BCBS. If enough providers toss them aside, they will have to raise their reimbursement rates. I mostly use cash only places. The main reason I have insurance is to cover LARGE bills such as I might experience in a hospital or an emergency room. routine stuff, I pay for that out of pocket, thus I have a policy that does not cover the routine stuff. Most people however, want the insurance companies to pay for everything and then beef when they have high premiums. It is no different than for cars. You buy full coverage with zero deductibles you will pay more than someone that only buys liability or gets a good sized deductible on the other coverages.

  • whatelseisnew Mar 20, 1:31 p.m.

    "The reason Medicare works pretty well is that the government isn't trying to make a profit the way insurers are (even when the insurer, like BCBS, is supposed to be a non-profit)."

    Really? So collecting almost 3 percent of your income whilst not providing you with anything beyond a promise to pay part of your hospital bill after you turn 65 is not a profit center for the Government. And, once you sign up after 65 (by force of law) now you pay an additional premium (income based) for doctors and such. Want drug coverage? Yep another premium. And you will not believe the size of the bills that will be left if you have a major event like a surgery. You better also buy Medigap or Medicare Advantage to cover that big old hole in your coverage. I can think of no insurance that is more expensive than Medicare and it provides lousy coverage. Tell me any insurance coverage that would not love the ability to base their premiums on your income. I have BCBS, it is cheap and it is far better

  • davidgnews Mar 20, 1:29 p.m.

    "BCBS makes Billions is profits every year."

    I live for the day that they collapse under their own weight.

  • whatelseisnew Mar 20, 1:25 p.m.

    That is because they are ill informed. If you want to point a finger of blame it should be pointed to Government. Here is what the Government has caused if it did the same things to Supermarkets. You are 4th in line. The first person does not pay, the government makes the store give away the food to that person. The second person is on FoodAcaid. The Government gives the store partial payment for that persons food. The 3rd person is on foodacare. The Government gives a slightly larger partial payment for that persons food. They ring you up. Then they add the cost of the 1st persons food, the difference in cost for the 2nd and 3rd persons food and present you with the total. So what is the logical response. But of course you get mad at the store for charging you so much for your food. Get the Government out of health care and prices will come down. If you receive care and you have to only pay for your care, your cost will be much lower. That in turn will cause insurance to go down.

  • atozca Mar 20, 1:24 p.m.

    In the late 80's when the HMO's came out and the world or health insurance and health care began to change dramatically, an older gentleman that worked at the newspaper with me said "Mark my words... this HMO plan is not going to work, in the next 20 years, we will be experiencing a health care crises because ain't nobody going to be able to afford health care." I have lived that experience. It is greed. The politicians, lobbyist, educators, pharmaceutical companies, mental health professionals, etc... all benefit from keeping the American people believing they need and must have all the bells and whistles that aren't necessary. It is more like health scare insurance.

  • atozca Mar 20, 1:19 p.m.

    One common mantra I have observed is all the unnecessary testing being done for various reasons. As one who has been mostly unemployed and without health insurance for the past 3 years, I became very ill and eventually went to a doc in the box clinic. I had researched all my symptoms and knew that my illness could be one of a number of things that were quite serious, however; I asked the doc to please let me try an antibiotic first and if things didn't change then I would seek further testing. After much conversation, I finally convinced the doctor to write the prescription. Within 7 days I was well and have not had a relapse in 2 years. Had I had health insurance or medicaid at the time, I would have endured the cost of multiple, expensive test that were obviously not necessary. I have found, however, that food does affect my health and I pay attention to what I eat. I rarely become ill and I don't spend 1000's in health insurance and/or care.

  • NeverSurrender Mar 20, 1:02 p.m.

    NeverSurrender: Whether you recognize 10K and write off 8K or just recognize 2K, the net revenue and net profit are the same.

    ---

    The big difference between the two is that $8K of illusory "costs" just got dumped on the taxpayers to subsidise the provider's bottom line in the first scenario where they write off costs that never actually occurred.

    If you agreed to a fee of $2K in exchange for patients being sent your way, you should not be allowed to name whatever astronomical figure above that as a write-off against tax without consequence!

    Haven't you ever wondered how the hospitals who claim to be going to the wall and losing their shirts in the process can at the same time build scores of new buildings and maintain fantastically profitable specialty centres?

    Dodgy accounting designed to evade taxes is the easiest tool they have to accomplish that goal!

  • CastIronEgret Mar 20, 12:59 p.m.

    Some lower cost, common sense tests would have prevented us from taking our child to the ER twice last week. We were waiting on...insurance approval!!!... to have the tests scheduled, but pain doesn't take a break and wait for the insurance company to decide whether they want to cover the cost of diagnostic procedures.

  • Zelda Mar 20, 12:58 p.m.

    There is something fundamentally wrong when a country like ours has no safety net for people in terms of health care. The reason Medicare works pretty well is that the government isn't trying to make a profit the way insurers are (even when the insurer, like BCBS, is supposed to be a non-profit). This has nothing to do with liberal politics. It has to do with the fact that technological advances are now routinely offered to people and they are incredibly expensive (transplants, care of tiny preemies, etc.) I will say as someone who is a BCBS provider that they haven't raised my rate of reimbursement in almost 20 years. I am not allowed to charge my patients more than their allowable. I can't make a living that way with all my costs going up. So this is a lot more complicated than you might think.

  • atozca Mar 20, 12:47 p.m.

    Why a Man 70 years young, eats healthy, goes to church every Sunday and volunteers all the time is struck down with Pancreatic Cancer.. Lambeau

    Everyone is born to die. Who are we to think we know when we should die? Your point is well taken. It is not about what we do... just like the blind man in the Bible. The people wanted to know what he had done wrong or what his family had done wrong in order for this dude to be born blind. Jesus answered... nothing.... he was born this way in order to glorify the Father. It ain't about us and what we do. I'm not going to chase my tail on the latest expert opinion craze of what we should and shouldn't do. I am going to enjoy life to the fullest and I don't need others demanding that I buy health insurance 'cause they are afraid of the what ifs.

  • TheAdmiral Mar 20, 12:27 p.m.

    Be careful what you ask for - Obama's redistribution of wealth claims go unheeded when a liberal don't understand how insurance works.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXfGeMNnBsM

    This is a very good video on how health insurance works.

  • Mobile Geek Mar 20, 12:15 p.m.

    Snoookyone, why is it greed? Since when did you have the right to dispose of someone else's labor or product at their inconvenience or their right to pursue happiness? I believe that constitutes slavery. If it's greed, then it would that of those who wish to benefit from someone else's success. Try doing some real math. If you pay less into the insurance pot, but take more out, where do you think the difference comes from? And the more people that take out the smaller the pot gets. So everyone is paying more to fill the pot back up. If government does it, the problem will explode out of control, and you end up with the European problems, such as rationing.

  • itsnotmeiswear Mar 20, 12:13 p.m.

    NeverSurrender: Whether you recognize 10K and write off 8K or just recognize 2K, the net revenue and net profit are the same.

    I do agree that a HSA will make you a better consumer. I love the look on a doctor's face when you ask them about cost before a procedure is ordered. The percentage of time that they can justify it is very scary low, and the entire visit takes on a new efficiency.

  • sillywabbitthepatriot Mar 20, 12:02 p.m.

    "They have done more to try to control medical costs than any other entity"

    I guess that explains why the hospital offered me a 25% reduced cost if I paid the amount I owed within 30 days after the insurance claim was filed.

  • SmokeWagon Mar 20, 12:00 p.m.

    Follow da money....you pay the insurance company...(for years and years and years whether or not you use the service)...they keep the money...when yo DO FINALLY use it, then the Dr. sends the invoice for your care to the insurance company, the insurance tells the Dr. what THEY will pay for your care....the drug companies send their invoice to the insurance company, the insurance compant tells the pharmacy what THEY will pay for your drugs....the hospital sents their invoice to the insurance company, the insurance tells the hospital what THEY will pay....SEE A PATTERN HERE....??????? Insurance companies LOVE TO BLAME others...yet THEY are who gets the money...!!!!!

  • nomorethanthat Mar 20, 11:55 a.m.

    Yes there is some fraud and truly unnecessary tests but the vast majority of medical providers are honest. Regarding what are referred to as unnecessary test, one has to take into account not only malpractice but that the doctor is looking for the true reason for a condition that is not obvious. They have a business to run that has overhead expenses and they are due some profit and employees in the practice a livable wage with potential for increase. My one question concerns the overhead expense of the space occupied and its furnishing. Many of the medical office buildings are ostentatious and definitely more than functional. Furnishings in the offices are often overly plush. Now comes the question - who owns the building in which the office is located. Often a PLC formed of one or more doctors are the owners and none may still be in practice or have their own offices in the building. What kind of rent is being charged to their fellow doctors? Is it the max that will be paid or

  • Offshore Mar 20, 11:55 a.m.

    Anyone for frivolous law suits driving up doctors/hospitals costs? It's going to be passed on to someone...

  • NeverSurrender Mar 20, 11:53 a.m.

    "I am all for free market economics, however, there is absolutely no great solution to this problem except government health care."

    Because it's worked so well as evidenced by Medicare, Medicaid, VA, TRICare, Commonwealth Care... ?

    The answer is making people knowledgeable of and accountable for the costs of the services they consume. When it's your money on the line, I can guarantee you the first thing you'll be asking that doctor is how much they'll *REALLY* take for the procedure.

    That's the reason the HSA rocks...you can't hide from the costs by just thinking you're done with that $20 copay. You'll become intimately aware of the ways you're being screwed when you're having to cover deductible out-of-pocket and hopefully do something about it.

  • Snookyone Mar 20, 11:47 a.m.

    I can sum the problem up in one word: GREED

  • sunshine1040 Mar 20, 11:44 a.m.

    It is none of the below reasons .
    Drs know the insurance is only going to pay a small percentage of the amount billed. So the raise the bill so they will get what they were going to charge. As for Drs moving go to any military hospal and cound the number of MD the PAs and NP and student PAs . guess what you will see more of. Our young cannot afford to go to med school right now a four year degrees takes over 20 yerars to pay off

  • shakenbake68 Mar 20, 11:41 a.m.

    I am all for free market economics, however, there is absolutely no great solution to this problem except government health care. Why? Because insurance companies and drug companies are for-profit. They are not charities. They can change as much as they want, within legal boundaries. Whether or not Obamacare has caused prices to rise, the fact remains that health care companies can raise the cost of live-saving medicines or procedures for no reason at all. Only in America, people can die because they don't have enough money to live. In theory, free market health care may work. In reality, the free market system is a failure.

  • Wheelman Mar 20, 11:37 a.m.

    The real culprit here is the consumer. For generations we have treated insurance and medical cost like it was not our problem. Who cares how many office visits or how much the tests or procedures cost? Insurance will pay the bill! Raise the price of the visit, the procedure, the tests and the medications. Insurance will pay the bill! Cover this, cover that! Insurance will pay the bill! Insurance premiums are nothing but a reflection of what it costs to pay the bill. Insurance companies make a very small percentage of profit for collecting the premiums and paying the bills. They have done more to try to control medical costs than any other entity, yet we want to blame them. It's like wanting to blame your bank because you spend too much money. If you want the premiums to come down, then get the doctors, hospitals, drug companies to lower their prices and we have to stop expecting them to fix everything that is wrong with us and just send the bill to the insurance company.

  • sillywabbitthepatriot Mar 20, 11:26 a.m.

    1-800-SUE-METO

  • NeverSurrender Mar 20, 11:24 a.m.

    One way to tremendously reduce costs...eliminate the fraudulent accounting by hospitals and physicians sheltering very profitable activities from tax.

    Take the $10K bill from the hospital that's reduced to $2K because that's what they agreed to accept with insurance.

    What do you think happens to the other $8K? It's written off to protect the profits of the heart centre/cancer centre/etc. who do *NOT* have to take anyone who comes through the door unlike the ER which is abused by those who refuse to pay their fair share of the bill.

    The thing that angers me is that the $8K isn't a legitimate "loss"...it's the fee they agreed! Hospitals and physicians should be required to only write-off true losses and justify the costs.

  • kermit60 Mar 20, 11:24 a.m.

    It is not the medical insurance it is the liability/malpractice insurance. In some fields 25% or greater of the cost goes to insurance. OB is the worst. In some states it has got so bad that they are expierencing a shortage because the doctors are moving across state lines to pay less.

  • NeverSurrender Mar 20, 11:21 a.m.

    "WRAL, why don't you follow this story up with one on how many medical lawsuits are 'settled' out of court in NC each year and how much money was involved."

    I'd say that many cases of malpractice that should be filed aren't because the doctors in NC refuse to appear as expert witnesses against their own lest they be sanctioned by the NC Medical Board. The Medical Board needs to be barred from obstructing justice in this fashion...if the doctor has been convinced by the evidence of malpractice, they should be allowed to testify.

    Absent that reform, importing a doctor from another state as an expert witness isn't cheap on top of the lawyer's fees.

    The vast majority of cases that are filed can often be tossed as frivolous but yet vast sums are spent defending the indefensible. If the lawsuit can't pass the smell/laugh tests, it should be quashed straightaway with prejudice.

  • whatusay Mar 20, 11:18 a.m.

    Could illegals using the emergency rooms across this country have anything to do with the costs skyrocketing for US citizens?

  • baracus Mar 20, 11:14 a.m.

    "If due to complications you have to make more vistis, the doctors would eat this cost, and would do a better job managing care and tests to an end result."

    Or, more likely, if you are a complicated case they would send you to see someone else and make you their problem.

  • Dark of the Moon Mar 20, 11:13 a.m.

    What just a minute. OBAMA promised a REDUCTION of an average of $1,500 per policy effective the year following his signage of the healthcareless bill.

    Does this mean Obama LIED to us yet again?

    Oh, by the way. Has anyone noticed the newly revised CBO estimate of OBAMACARE? It is now estimated to be about DOUBLE what OBAMA promised it to be. That's from the NON PARTISAN Congressional Budget Office.

    Geez what a surprise....NOT!!!!!!!!!

    WE TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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