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zonk Mar 20, 9:37 a.m.
oooo How surprising !
commonsense4 Mar 20, 9:32 a.m.
No surprise here at all. For every conscientious, hard worker in a state agency, there are at least 3 clueless, uncaring, lazy, do-nothing state workers. Even though there are no unions, supervisors never fire these useless workers on our dime. They just get lost in the system doing nothing for years. If every state agency was truly audited, 25% of the jobs in every agency would be deemed unnecessary. This is no doubt true throughout the whole country. Call any state agency, and see what type of people you have to deal with!
pbjbeach Mar 20, 9:03 a.m.
SPEAKING OF COMPUTER GLICHES HAS THE NCDOT EVER GOT THEIR WONDERFUL BECON PAYROLL SYSTEM FIXED TO THE POINT THAT IT HAS QUIT MESSING UP STATE EMPLOYEE PAYROLL CHECKS. ALSO THE STATE AUDITOR NEED TO DEMAND THAT THERE BE AN INVESTIGATION INTOT HE CONTRACT PAYMENT AN THE LINE ITEM THAT ARE BEING PAID FOR IN THESE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS TO CONTRACTING ENITYS ACROSS THIS STATE FOR LINE ITEM SUCH AS UNDERCUT EXCAVATION THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR WHEN THERE WAS NEVER ANY NEED FOR THE UNDERCUT EXCAVATION IN THE FIRST PLACE ON A PROJECT WHEN THE CONTRACTOR WAS UNDERCUTTING BENETH A PREFECTLY GOOD HILL OF SAND CLAY TYPE MATERIAL BUT CONTRACTOR WAS ALLOWED TO GET PAID FOR THIS UNDERCUT JUST SO AS TO INCREASE THE NEED FOR MORE ADDITIONAL BORROW MATERIAL IN ORDER TO BACK FILL WITH . THIS WAS A TOTAL WASTE AN FRAUD AGAINST THE STATES TAXPAYING CITIZENS THANK YOU
ObamaMustGo aka NCcarguy Mar 20, 8:32 a.m.
just wait until these same people are working on your medical insurance.
Mar 20, 8:16 a.m.
Owe they dont care how much it cost to get it back its not their money anyway they just want everyone to do the right thing. They want you to give your money "right" back to them.
Mar 20, 8:12 a.m.
So let me get this right some bigwig embezzels money gets caught the state wants to keep it quiet so they come up with the we overpaid solution and now want the unemployed to pay for it. Sounds like a movie of the week to me. Its just plain scary how much the government quote unquote over pays then they want it back. You know what government I want my money that was used in the bank bailout back I believe that you overpayed them.
Riddickfield Mar 20, 8:08 a.m.
LOL at the guy that said if they cut his unemployment benefit by $25 he'd have to cut back on his job searches. Somehow I don't think he is serious about finding a job.
muggs Mar 19, 7:59 p.m.
So Bev is giving a Gov's pardon to all ESC employees.
computer trainer Mar 19, 7:49 p.m.
Bev has already said that NO ONE will have to pay back the overpayments. Nothing has changed since Nov of 2010, except they have armed guards at the unemployment office.
Bev's answer was to put the unemp office under commerce, to save money, but no one was let go. A lot of changes had to be made, though, that cost thousands. All the political appointees are still sitting there, drawing their fat paychecks.
are you kidding me Mar 19, 7:46 p.m.
this is not good, but no recourse here
davisgw Mar 19, 7:33 p.m.
Instead of auditing and publishing findinge start firing people who make the mistakes and/or the people who are supposed to be supervisors and should followup on cases and verify they are handled correctly. From the gist of this article a small sampling of cases would highlight the problems.
pm2 Mar 19, 7:11 p.m.
Another great job dolling out our money by a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats...Good luck with getting that back...at least half of it is undergound drug cash at this point. "The state paid $105 million in Federal Additional Compensation last fiscal year. Of that, $689,000 was overpaid, according to the audit. Auditor Beth Wood said she thinks the state should be able to recover that money."
muggs Mar 19, 6:54 p.m.
bean112455,34 years of service and retired on a state pension,thats the problem the rest of us had to work over 45 years,and that do to the fact our tax dollars supported your pensions in one way or the other,I worked many projects that state employees were involved in and I know none were overworked and all were overpayed,job delays when state employees had a holiday,waiting for them to slowly react,vacations for weeks,come on you know it was a gravy train and so does everyone else,just sit back and enjoy but please do not brag about being one of them.
PanthersFan45 Mar 19, 6:21 p.m.
The state couldn't manage its way out of a paperbag. No surprise to me here. While I'm not a fan of the staye GOP on many things, I am glad they have been doing some cutting. It's about time we stopped thrwoing money at every thing that comes along ........ BTW this money has to be repaid for the extensions as well. When the federal government made money available there were other states that also borrowed to cover extensions and it must be paid back. Throw in some mis-management too and here's where we sit.
piene2 Mar 19, 6:19 p.m.
"JUST BECAUSE THE STATE OVER PAYED UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE THAT IS A STATE PROBLEM THE PEOPLE JUST PUT IN FOR UNEMPLOYMENT THE STATE SETS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU GET WE DONT TELL THE STATE WHAT WE WANT ITS ON A SCALE??? THE PEOPLE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG THEY JUST TOOK THE AMONT GIVEN.THEY DID NOT KNOW IT WAS TO MUCH. SO HOW WILL THE STATE GET THE LOST MONEY BACK? NOT PAY ANYONE FOR A WHILE??
Why are you shouting????
bean112455 Mar 19, 6:19 p.m.
Good luck at finding a job. No one will hire you once you sit on your can for 2 years. You like a old nail will become rusty and unmarketable. Your skill set will be outdated. Then I suppose any job will be enticing even one that mandates you to be a super duper scooper. Yeah to the State Auditor for routing out these problems and overpayments. Now lets see if anyone owns up and fixes these problems. My guess is...there is underlying fraudulent employees in house who are turning the other cheek to some of these overpayments and duplicate payments. Why do I think that.....friends and relatives in the right places can do wonders for your budget. Just my speculation and yes.....I am a retired State Employee who gave 34 years of service and earned every penny earned while I worked there too.
bean112455 Mar 19, 6:14 p.m.
I just really love the comment made by the guy in the article who stated if he had to repay the overpayment he received of $25.00, he would have to cut back on his job searches and interviews. Good grief! As if he was really searching for a job. I have relatives and friends both who have lost their jobs. I have heard from a lot of folks who have lost their jobs and what just floors and angers me the most....is the folks say they intend on sucking up as much unemployment benefits as they can. When there is no more free money to receive, then I'll look for a job. I remember a time when you had to actually show to the Unemployment office a job that you applied for each week in order to receive benefits. Now all you have to do is just sign up each week. There are jobs out there. They may not be pretty jobs and something you would want to do, but it is a JOB none-the-less. If you are one of the unemployed who plans on sucking the udder until it dries up, then good luck at finding
muggs Mar 19, 6:13 p.m.
If the state wants they can track these mistakes and identify who was resposible for each,as one posted THIS IS A STATE PROBLEM,and people from within that agency should not be let off the hook,trying to recoup funds now will possibly end up in our courts since really it is determined by the ESC as to how much one receives not the individual receiving it,don't know but will be interesting to watch play out,some smart lawyers may file class action lawsuit against the state for mental anguish on the behalf of those being hounded starnger things have ended up in our court system.
cwbauer55 Mar 19, 5:54 p.m.
JUST BECAUSE THE STATE OVER PAYED UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE THAT IS A STATE PROBLEM THE PEOPLE JUST PUT IN FOR UNEMPLOYMENT THE STATE SETS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU GET WE DONT TELL THE STATE WHAT WE WANT ITS ON A SCALE??? THE PEOPLE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG THEY JUST TOOK THE AMONT GIVEN.THEY DID NOT KNOW IT WAS TO MUCH. SO HOW WILL THE STATE GET THE LOST MONEY BACK? NOT PAY ANYONE FOR A WHILE??
muggs Mar 19, 5:48 p.m.
It is alittle hard for one to digest that all the state has to do is say "Oops" we made a mistake and you owe us this much back,if that be the case all involved should be dismissed if they are going to go after the people that received more than they should have those resposible should not be allowed to remain at their jobs either,we just went through this about a year or so ago so evidently many of the same people are still involved in this mess also,incompetentence is reason for termination and it looks as if it should apply here to many not just one.
krysia99 Mar 19, 5:21 p.m.
This Auditor has issued more that one report that was more political than factual. Error rates in public companies vary, but it is very easy to report a high dollar amount in errors when you are working with billions of dollars.
People have been known to resign because they disagree with finding against their agency. The Auditor would have shared a draft report with the agency prior to making it public. There was no "tip off" required.
Also, you can overpay without making an error. When an employer challenges a decision to grant benefits and it is subsequently determined that the former employee is not eligible by a hearing officer, for example.
I am very happy for those of you who apparently never make any errors. Not even less than 1% of the time. Congratulations.
whatusay Mar 19, 5:11 p.m.
BeenHereSince67.....you are the whiner....if you work for the state who pays your wages????? Gov't employees whine because they always believe they are underpaid....always...never enough. Try working in the private sector and you will know and understand what work is. All you care about is your pensions and benefits.....all pay by the tax payers.
disgusted2010 Mar 19, 5:09 p.m.
"And who appointed and hired the folks that oversee the Unemploynment Commission." That would be our Governor based on the advice of Howard Lee. Lee is single highhandedly responsible for most of the incompetents, crooks and cronies appointed by Perdue. I hope her love for and dependence on Lee has been good for Bev, because it is a major reason for her one term.
whatusay Mar 19, 5:08 p.m.
Maybe the audit department should be running the NC Employment Security Dept.
grandmadof8 Mar 19, 4:47 p.m.
Af to the comment by BeenHereSince67
AMEN!!!!!Very well said!
muggs Mar 19, 4:24 p.m.
Fire all those computors and take away their benefits and retirement package,that will show them.
BeenHereSince67 Mar 19, 4:23 p.m.
"the system generates reports that should have been examined by someone"
BUT, you whiners, complainers, & haters of all government employees are seeing to it that there are fewer and fewer state employees to DO all the work that has to be done to PREVENT errors like this from occurring. You in the private sector don't have a clue - not one, of what it's like to work for the State. All you want is for somebody of YOUR CHOOSING to be punished, hurt, fired, and humiliated for doing the job they're told to do. I worked for State Government for 30 years. The State made a legal contract with me and my fellow State Employees. I DID my job. I'm retired now. I draw my pension, AND I get my Social Security that I am 100% entitled to. Yes, ENTITLED! We did our part for this state and country, and now it is OUR turn to receive. You Haters try to mess with the pensions of State Workers and Social Security recipients and see what happens. Torches and Pitchforks dude!
jaydosse Mar 19, 4:18 p.m.
"The audit also found that the state paid $4.4 billion in unemployment insurance benefits last fiscal year, and the auditor found 190 instances of duplicate payments totaling $45,000."
How in the world can the state have been making duplicate payments and no one was able to catch it?? Wow it must be some really high end, super sophisticated software they were using ( pencil and paper perhaps? ) A glitch??? No , more like incompetence and apathy!!
whatelseisnew Mar 19, 4:15 p.m.
Maybe they can recover some of that money and give me my tax refund. Good luck getting the money back. Most of those folks if not all, have spent every penny. Guess they will have to stop paying them future dollars.
jaydosse Mar 19, 4:07 p.m.
When are ya'll gonna realize that this state is being run by a bunch of overpaid, incompetent folks who always have an "escape" route. It is the uneducated little people in state gov't who always take the fall, while middle and upper management walk away with excessive pensions and a thank you for your service farewell ( even if they are incompetent and cost the taxpayers millions ).
dryjr Mar 19, 4:02 p.m.
no problem ,unemployment benifits are not real moneyjust ask Bev and Obama
prn13norm Mar 19, 4:00 p.m.
NC Democrats have never been too good at protecting the taxpayer's money!
muggs Mar 19, 3:58 p.m.
How difficult can it be to keep up with the amount people are due and what they receive,sounds like it should be cut and dry,but there may be more to it than that but basically thats all that needs to be done,being an armchair critic is pretty easy also and I guess thats all I am.
westernwake1 Mar 19, 3:58 p.m.
"Unfortunately, the State Auditors Office has no teeth. They do a great job, BUT when they have finished their audit, they are required to give all of the findings to the Agency and the Agency decides what kinds of punishment is handed out. To be honest, most Agencies just slap wrist and then give those people a nice fat raise. It is a thankless job and not sure why ANYONE would want to work in the State Auditor's office." - computer trainer
Exactly! The state auditors office can drag out problems into the sunlight but has no direct power to force changes to a fix the issues.
westernwake1 Mar 19, 3:42 p.m.
"So 0.66 of 1% was overpaid, possibly. They should strive for perfection, but 99.44% pure was good enough for Ivory Soap....should be asking how many cases of outright fraud have been reported but not investigated because that dept is saying their automated system has the case---but the cases are never assigned to an investigator...THAT number will be in the tens of millions." - joeblink
You should read the actual audit report. The "0.66 of 1%" is simply the edge of the iceberg of what was easily discoverable. The focus of the report is on the complete lack of financial control, insufficient documentation, limits in the benefit tracking system, failure to identify payments, etc. The focus of this audit report is on "what is broken" at a big picture level and the actions required to fix them rather than the exact financial amount - the financial figures are used as examples to prove that system-wide problems exist.
pat7 Mar 19, 3:42 p.m.
Money people paid into the system is over paid ,By my book its tuff enough now you want to kick people more,Why dont you go after the illegals that milk the system, that have babies here and dont pay for their medical,thats stealing by my book but the state knownly turns a blind eye on this matter because it not the political thing to do
computer trainer Mar 19, 3:42 p.m.
Unfortunately, the State Auditors Office has no teeth. They do a great job, BUT when they have finished their audit, they are required to give all of the findings to the Agency and the Agency decides what kinds of punishment is handed out. To be honest, most Agencies just slap wrist and then give those people a nice fat raise. It is a thankless job and not sure why ANYONE would want to work in the State Auditor's office.
esprg Mar 19, 3:36 p.m.
sunshine1040 Mar 19, 3:32 p.m.
And who appointed and hired the folks that oversee the Unemploynment Commission . Maybe Bev and Mike had a hand in it . It sure was not the Rep governor. One of our presidents said THE BUCK STOPS HERE. In NC that is the governors desk. Pay back what your flunkies messed up out of your pockets.
muggs Mar 19, 3:25 p.m.
Having been placed into a position of authority by the Gov. and not having a background in much other than being a lobbyist is a concern as to why Lynn Holmes was ever in this position,I wonder how many Dem's are in positions of authority just do to their party affiliations,same works for the Rep's,I mean it's a fair question one should be entitled to ask I have always thought jobs at state levels were politically controlled.
joeblink Mar 19, 3:23 p.m.
So 0.66 of 1% was overpaid, possibly. They should strive for perfection, but 99.44% pure was good enough for Ivory Soap....should be asking how many cases of outright fraud have been reported but not investigated because that dept is saying their automated system has the case---but the cases are never assigned to an investigator...THAT number will be in the tens of millions.
HadEnough Mar 19, 3:09 p.m.
The State Auditor, no matter who it may be at any given time, is powerless and the audits are meaningless because the agencies are permitted to deny the charges or simply say they already fixed that.
FuckYouWRAL Mar 19, 3:09 p.m.
"I don't believe that Purdue is doing a great job. That is why she is sitting herself down and before long we in NC will have a great governor. Glad she is leaving. No more problems!"
You're new to NC, aren't you? I agree that Granny Hotpants is a lousy dictator, but she's not the first and most definitely won' t be the last of them.
storchheim Mar 19, 3:03 p.m.
Even if it started as computer error, the system generates reports that should have been examined by someone. This is the second wave of overpayments, but the problem is that no one was fired for their part in the first round. Instead of fixing more recent problems, they lie and cover up for each other, knowing that the incompetent-in-charge either would not or did not know how to do anything. But one look at her tells you she was "qualified"!
storchheim Mar 19, 2:57 p.m.
"Beth Wood actually knows nothing until she is unemployed herself. charmcclainlovesdogs2 "
This from one who insists there are "good" govt employees? Why the anger directed at someone who exposes the "bad" ones?
muggs Mar 19, 2:38 p.m.
Was much of this do to computor problems or just human error,it just seems as if these are not isolated cases but a very large number of oversights by someone or something going wrong in the computor system.
miketroll3572 Mar 19, 2:36 p.m.
Thank you for your comment. I am one of those that are unemployed and I don't have nothing to pay back. That is the solid and whole truth. God also knows. So just pray for me and the millions of NC's that don't have a job and no one will even give you a job of just "sweeping the floor". We are not above nothing.
You should be proud of yourself. Alot of people out there feel that is below them.
Rebelyell55 Mar 19, 2:24 p.m.
"Beth Wood thinks
Beth Wood actually knows nothing until she is unemployed herself.
March 19, 2012 2:17 p.m.........Not sure why your so hard on Beth Wood, she is a state auditor and has uncoverd more abuse and waste of tax payer money than most. As an auditor she can only report the results of the audit. It's up to the elected leaders and Agencies Directors to fix the problem.
westernwake1 Mar 19, 2:22 p.m.
This does answer why the the incompetent head of NC unemployment agency, Assistant Commerce Secretary Lynn Holmes, resigned abruptly last week.
Obviously she knew this news was coming out today that North Carolina was STILL overpaying unemployment compensation, and that nothing has been fixed at the ESC.
In my opinion, Beth Wood is doing a good job in finding financial problems in state audits but her department has very little power to fix any problem. The audits can only be used to report on the financial problems.
charmcclainlovesdogs2 Mar 19, 2:17 p.m.
"Beth Wood thinks
Beth Wood actually knows nothing until she is unemployed herself.
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03