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  • rastubar Mar 1, 5:29 p.m.

    $$mart $$tart/ More$$$ at Four. When will we let parents take care of the children like God requires them too. Where is the responsibility the parent has to rear the child??? THIS IS NOT THE ROLE OF THE COV'T and Taxpayer no matter what bull Gov. Jim Hunt sold you Democrats years ago. You are paying way too much on Education for what you are getting in return.
    Harveythe Rabbitt.
    Our current TOP 6th graders rank up to the Level III 15 yrs. ago Stop voting Democrate to end this nonsense.

  • storchheim Feb 23, 7:08 p.m.

    "Recently the GOP has stepped up their rhetoric against public education and teachers."

    "...Daycares are a safeplaces...Most daycares are 6weeks old babies all they way up to children at the age of 4. Most teachers do have a two year degree in EArly Childhood Education. Public and Private Pre-k differ based on where they are located. Public Prek are geared to preparing children for kindergarten so that those children who are considered at risk willnot be left behind in the upper grades of school. These children need the base stones that are provided for them in the early years. Private Pre k differs based on the type of school it is and the state that they are located in. I am in the Early CHildhood program at a local community college and" - kountrycowgurl

    Yes, let's blame the GOP for the way teachers are viewed. Seriously, this is an example of a teacher's writing?

  • kountrycowgurl Feb 23, 4:55 p.m.

    Okay thisto any people who think that they know what daycares are for! Daycares are a safeplaces that parents feel they can leave their children, the children dont justplay all day they are in a structured environment where they are being taught vaulable educational information. Most daycares are 6weeks old babies all they way up to children at the age of 4. Most teachers do have a two year degree in EArly Childhood Education. Public and Private Pre-k differ based on where they are located. Public Prek are geared to preparing children for kindergarten so that those children who are considered at risk willnot be left behind in the upper grades of school. These children need the base stones that are provided for them in the early years. Private Pre k differs based on the type of school it is and the state that they are located in. I am in the Early CHildhood program at a local community college and I can guarantee you that we are taught to not only to let the children play but provide th

  • ljohnson247 Feb 23, 4:27 p.m.

    From what is being said, we taken it that the Dems and their groups would like all taxpayer money and more to go to education, large group of voters, and other social programs, another large of voters. Look at what they did for 140 years to get the State in the shape it is today.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 23, 3:01 p.m.

    Kaitlyn-"Until recently teaching was looked on as a valuable profession, but all that has changed and now teachers are almost demonized by some people, including many politicians. Who needs that? Last year I switched my major to biology/pre-med. A lot of people resent physicians too, but I figured if I'm going to be despised by others I might as well get paid decent money for it."

    Recently the GOP has stepped up their rhetoric against public education and teachers. It coincided with the 2008 recession as apparently the GOP saw an opportunity to cut off funding by trying to blame the shortage of funds on all those "overpaid" teachers making 31K per year!

  • westernwake1 Feb 23, 2:05 p.m.

    It appears that a number of people on this thread are confused about the difference between Daycare, private Pre-K, and public Pre-K. Let's provide some help:

    1) Daycare: A place to drop off your children for care while you work for 2 to 4 year olds. Has no educational agenda. Children only play and are watched. Staff only has high school diplomas generally.

    2) Private Pre-K: A school for 4 year olds aimed at preparing them for kindergarten. Has an educational program or agenda. Does not have to meet strict state program standards. Teachers generally have a 4 year degree but no certificates in special ed, etc.

    3) Public Pre-K: A school for 4 year olds funded by the state. Can be held in public schools and certified private schools. Strict educational agenda that meets the state's standards. Many special needs children in the program. Staff has 4 year degrees minimum, most have masters - all with specialized early childhood certifications. Classrooms have TAs also.

  • storchheim Feb 23, 2:03 p.m.

    Nancy, according to what I read yesterday:

    poverty is one measure,

    native language is another, T

    HEN there's the mysterious "at-risk" category, separate from the other two, determined by "other factors" which are never defined in the document, but are apparently decided on a whim by those who get paid if the program continues.

  • readme Feb 23, 1:59 p.m.

    Once we start giving all these freebies to the "poor" and come up with any studies that say anyone has benefitted, the problem is it becomes very hard to remove those freebies. Now a vote to defund them is a "vote against the kids". When really, it's just a vote to ask parents to do what they should be doing anyway.

  • fl2nc2ca2md2nc Feb 23, 1:31 p.m.

    "There's NO reason why a parent can't teach his/her child at home the skills needed to enter kindergarten. alwaysamused

    I agree with the statement but just how many skills do you need to enter kindergarten anyway? The skills we needed for kindergarten were get dropped off by our parents, sit still and listen to the teacher... Our parents didn't even go to kindergarten and they were the generation that sent men to the moon, created the internet, and untold other inventions and contributions to society. Now, our kids entering college need remedial classes when they get there. Something's not right and it's definitely not a need for pre-k programs! What a scam!

  • RomneyRyan2012 Feb 23, 1:27 p.m.

    Free taxpayer paid babysitting...

  • Rebelyell55 Feb 23, 1:24 p.m.

    Yep it sound like the "rules" need some serious looking into, for NC to get the most bang for the bucks. If they going do this, and it certainly looks like they will, we need to make sure the ones who truely need this program gets it.

  • innocent bystander 3 Feb 23, 1:22 p.m.

    /*What I would like to see is how many special needs children are actually enrolled vs ESL students etc - all categories currently enrolled and broken out by specific need.*/ -Nancy

    Those data are available because that's the only way one can examine educational performance outcomes in this population relative to a comparable group of students (i.e., compare outcomes among students while controlling for individual risk factors, so that the two groups differ only in their Pre-K enrollment status). That's what the FPG researchers attempted to do in their More @ Four evaluation. It's actually much harder than it sounds because there are many other factors that are difficult to take into account. That research does suggest some benefits of the Pre-K program, but whether other factors may also be involved we don't know.

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 1:16 p.m.

    Some good/great comments/observations. Regarding research... I'd like to see some good data, assuming it is there and/or could be collected, on the impact of "home environment' on this concept of "at risk". It seems that the criteria to determine which side of the "risk" fence a child is on - is purely economic-family income. Is that true? If it is, that is a very faulty indicator! Some things regarding home environment "money" can buy - many things "money" cannot buy. As I said previously... the household income could be 6 figures or more, but if during all those hours, weekend days, etc. that the child is home - the TV is always on and tuned to truly mindless drivel, no reading materials are available, the parents never read and they only watch the mindless drivel on TV, and the parents never constructively discuss anything - they complain constantly about how bad everything, inc. schools and teachers, is - the kids "ain't gonna learn"!!! PARENTS have more impact than do TEACHERS!!!

  • Nancy Feb 23, 12:47 p.m.

    "The Pre-K programs provided in public schools for at risk children involve many children with medical problems such as autism that require trained special intervention to provide assistance. This requires properly trained individuals with special needs certifications." - westernwake

    And those are truly "at risk" children, no doubt about that.

    But the broad category of what qualifies for "at risk" includes way too many that should not need such a program or assistance. You know that as well as most people. What I would like to see is how many special needs children are actually enrolled vs ESL students etc - all categories currently enrolled and broken out by specific need.

    That would be very telling and the money we already have would be enough!

  • Nancy Feb 23, 12:44 p.m.

    "Unless, of course, that parent is working three jobs to pay rent. Or maybe can't read themselves. What would you have their kids do?" - babbleon

    Except, that's not the case for the most "at risk" this program is designed to help. ESL students? Most of the mothers are stay at home and don't speak english (they're included in the at risk designation. Those below poverty level which means those living on state/federal aid, which we know many do not work even part time jobs.

    If each case of "at risk" was looked at (where is the data breakdown of those figures by the way?) how many parents could be teaching the basics (respect, social skills, numbers 1-10 and ABC's) to their own children?

    The reality is we don't have the data which breaks down the categories of "at risk" enrolled and what exactly that risk is.

    If the real numbers came out, we'd be able to determine and track their progress/success of the program in reality, not generalities.

  • ObamaMustGo aka NCcarguy Feb 23, 12:42 p.m.

    "There's NO reason why a parent can't teach his/her child at home the skills needed to enter kindergarten. alwaysamused

    Unless, of course, that parent is working three jobs to pay rent. Or maybe can't read themselves. What would you have their kids do?"

    See here's the problem. This is how a liberal likes to describe the poor in this country, and it's not the case. They're not working 3 jobs just to make ends meet...they're sitting at home not doing anything and waiting on the government to drop by with a check. This is just another entitlement program added to all the OTHER programs that aren't helping people pull themselves out of poverty. Look at how much worse poor people are today even though we are giving them much more than we ever have.

    I would think lowering the limit would serve it's purpose perfectly, WRAL and other media outlets want you all to think the republicans are evil, but why wouldn't you really want to target those that are truly in need, and lowering the thresho

  • snshine62d Feb 23, 12:40 p.m.

    I'm all for education but it seems to me that a lot of parents are using this as free babysitting service.

  • Nancy Feb 23, 12:40 p.m.

    babbelon - take a hard look at WHO is taking more AP exams, the very people the Smart Start and More At 4 is designed to help are not showing great improvement in that area, nor are they increasing their grade point average in core subjects.

    But hey, the argument about how this prepares students for kindergarten and beyond is a fail, why not toss more money at it?

  • GlobalHoax Feb 23, 12:35 p.m.

    I'd like to see this research that makes it clear that pre-K makes any sort of a long term impact on kids.

    The last time I saw research presented on Hunt's Smart Start program, the results were showing that while it benefited kids initially, those benefits were essentially completely gone within a couple of years.

  • OGE Feb 23, 12:32 p.m.

    No, the GOP will just try and stick it to the teachers some how. Maybe they can go back to the old way of making copies by using carbon paper.

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 12:30 p.m.

    ""Glad Bev "found some money" to start indoctrinating those 4 year olds, get them under control of the state a year sooner."

    Indoctrinating? Seriously? Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas from? Talk about being indoctrinated, some of you sound like a bunch of petshop parrots spewing out the same old nonsense.

    "Socialist teachers! Squawk! Squawk!"

    "Indoctrinating our children! Squawk! Squawk!"

    When I hear teachers talk about how disrespectful their students are toward them, now I know where the kids are getting that from." - Kaitlyn Feb 23, 2012 12:07 pm

    Kaitlyn - you and I are of "like mind". Agree 100%!!! I know that some parents send "Jane and Johnny" to school with the admonition "Don't you take any "c _ _ p" off of those teachers... or administrators"! And Jane/Johnny return home each day to a house where the TV is never off and is constantly tuned to "mind-wasting" programming... and all they ever hear their parents "discuss" is how bad the schools/teachers are!!

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 12:22 p.m.

    To revisit comments I made in an earlier post to this story. Read the article... one is told what Perdue is doing, and one is told what the NC GOP Legislators are doing. Perdue - NC's governor - the GOP - at this time - the majority in and leaders of the NC Legislature... the TWO elements of state government that truly determine what happens or does not happen in the state of NC. The Governor has found a way to accomplish something/to do something. The GOP-led Legislature is working to IMPEDE/OBSTRUCT/PREVENT what the Governor is attempting to do. Regardless of which one you think is "right"... is that anyway to conduct the business of the people of NC? Unfortunately that "pattern" of blatant partisanship has indeed become the "NORM". Does the Governor - Do the Legislators... all think that we are a bunch of IMBECILES? Do they really think that we are incapable of seeing and understanding how truly INEFFICIENT and wasteful they are at doing "our" business? THEY are the IMBECILES!!!

  • davidk_at_unc Feb 23, 12:21 p.m.

    "We are all for fuding education if it is used for education and not for buying votes." -- ljohnson247

    She's not running again. What votes are you talking about???

  • babbleon Feb 23, 12:16 p.m.

    [Smart start has] *only* been around since 1993, a mere 19 years, how's that graduation rate improving? Drop out rate? ... preparedness for higher education? Nancy

    I'm SO glad you asked! We've seen big improvements from 2000 - 2009; if anyone has data showing otherwise, please share:

    1) A higher % of seniors have taken and passed an AP exam (ie, better college preparedness)

    2) Dropout rate, 2000: 6.4% 2010: 3.75%

    3) 4th grade Reading has improved, though 8th grade has not

    4) 4th/8th grade Math has improved

    5) Graduation rates have improved

    6) Test scores have improved

    Sources:
    1) http://apreport.collegeboard.org/ap-trends-over-time

    (2, 3 & 4) http://www.ncpublicschools.org/accountability/policies/naep/2 &

    http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/9695096/

    (5) http://www.civitasreview.com/education/some-perspective-on-nc-graduation-rates/

    ((6) http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/accountability/reports/green/greenbook0910.pdf (note: p. 17)

  • Kaitlyn Feb 23, 12:07 p.m.

    "Glad Bev "found some money" to start indoctrinating those 4 year olds, get them under control of the state a year sooner."

    Indoctrinating? Seriously? Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas from? Talk about being indoctrinated, some of you sound like a bunch of petshop parrots spewing out the same old nonsense.

    "Socialist teachers! Squawk! Squawk!"

    "Indoctrinating our children! Squawk! Squawk!"

    When I hear teachers talk about how disrespectful their students are toward them, now I know where the kids are getting that from.

  • babbleon Feb 23, 12:06 p.m.

    There's NO reason why a parent can't teach his/her child at home the skills needed to enter kindergarten. alwaysamused

    Unless, of course, that parent is working three jobs to pay rent. Or maybe can't read themselves. What would you have their kids do?

  • dennis23 Feb 23, 12:04 p.m.

    I was wondering where Bev found that money. I figured she found it stuck down in the cracks of the couch or in the washing machine. Thats where I always find my lost millions. A lot of these postings refer to the parents looking for free day care and I agree with that. Mom and dad if either are around could teach these kids what the need to know. I know many grandparents are raising these kids because the parents or parent are not responsible or just to sorry to try and make a life for their kid. I have always spent lots of time with my grandkids and taught them many things before they entered kindergarden and it really helped prepare them for kindergarden so maybe some of that money should go to the grandparents whom are having to pay for the grandkids needs because the parents can't or want. We sure can't get any tax deductions for grandkids. The young people of this country should be more responsible when they have kids. I see some that are but their are a lot that are not. Go and l

  • aspenstreet1717 Feb 23, 11:54 a.m.

    Federal money. Borrowed from China.

  • westernwake1 Feb 23, 11:45 a.m.

    "That was not my point. The issue, as I see it, is that we have personell being overpaid for the job of "teaching" pre-K.

    Daycare providors earn $18-20K working with kids this age. These governmental Pre-K programs do little different but use certified educators with master's degrees making much more. We are talking about 4 year olds!" - aetius476

    I believe that you are missing the entire point. The Pre-K programs provided in public schools for at risk children involve many children with medical problems such as autism that require trained special intervention to provide assistance. This requires properly trained individuals with special needs certifications.

    Your average private Pre-K is not dealing with special needs children. And let me also mention that Pre-K is DIFFERENT than Daycare. Pre-K is an educational program.

    I should also mention that full day private Pre-K runs $10K to $15K per child per year; and public Pre-K is $4500 (no profit motive).

  • whocares Feb 23, 11:43 a.m.

    Here is just one more reason to get the GOP out of the majority. It seems that they don't care about the education of children, nor do they care about the middle class, women's health or the elderly. They just care about getting children into this program whose parents can afford to give a little extra to the cause.

  • Cricket at the lake Feb 23, 11:22 a.m.

    Many times stopping legislation is a victory. Glad Bev "found some money" to start indoctrinating those 4 year olds, get them under control of the state a year sooner. And how will the children be selected? Isn't that discrimination if it isn't offered to every 4 year old?

  • BWAHAHA Feb 23, 11:21 a.m.

    Why does the demonicGOP hate kids and educations so much?

  • Kaitlyn Feb 23, 11:10 a.m.

    "I see CONSTANT and even VENOMOUS criticism of teachers from some posters - that is totally, completely unwarranted/unfounded."

    LOL I started college two years and was planning to get a degree in education, but I changed my mind for that very reason you mention. Until recently teaching was looked on as a valuable profession, but all that has changed and now teachers are almost demonized by some people, including many politicians. Who needs that? Last year I switched my major to biology/pre-med. A lot of people resent physicians too, but I figured if I'm going to be despised by others I might as well get paid decent money for it.

  • alwaysamused Feb 23, 11:08 a.m.

    Pre-K looks like free daycare to me. There's NO reason why a parent can't teach his/her child at home the skills needed to enter kindergarten. My husband and I both have careers outside the home, yet managed to teach our kid pre-math and pre-reading skills (not to mention social skills) by the time she started school. So many parents are too lazy even to read a book to their toddler and would rather squander what money they have on brand-name frivolities than on educational tools for their child. Why should my tax dollars pay for a Pre-K teacher to do the work that lazy parents ought to be doing themselves?

  • aetius476 Feb 23, 11:01 a.m.

    "hold on, aetius476... you're actually arguing that teachers are OVERPAID? Seriously?" - whinnfjord

    That was not my point. The issue, as I see it, is that we have personell being overpaid for the job of "teaching" pre-K.

    Daycare providors earn $18-20K working with kids this age. These governmental Pre-K programs do little different but use certified educators with master's degrees making much more. We are talking about 4 year olds!

    We are overpaying for the service, by staffing these programs with personell that are way over trained and over qualified. Do you need a master's degree to teach kids to walk in a line, eat in a cafeteria, sit at a desk and identify colors?

    Do you need to hire an electrical engineer to wire a new light switch in your home? No, a qualified electrician can probably do the job fine for a lot less.

    This is not about teacher pay, it is about a wasteful use of taxpayer funds. Spend this money or expanding regular daycare if you must or put it into the regu

  • indrdw Feb 23, 10:50 a.m.

    Not a time to spend on this. THere are much more urgent needs of people at this time. If the ecomomic situation is not fixed soon these kids will not need much of anything but the basic needs in life by the time they grow up. We will be a third world country.

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 10:39 a.m.

    ""we have one part of government attempting to do something while another part of our government is working very hard to "undo" it! Now... how much sense - common or otherwise - DOES THAT MAKE?"

    That makes no sense at all, but the voters do not care. The voters are like spectators at some kind of tag-team wrestling match, cheering whenever their team score a hit on their opponent. Everyone gets beat up and there are no winners in this situation. That is why there is never any progress." - Kaitlyn February 23, 2012 10:19 am

    Agreed - 100%! An 'educated', informed, and CARING electorate would cure a lot of our "ills" in this country. I am disgusted at the "politicians", but I am also disgusted and disappointed at the electorate!

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 10:29 a.m.

    "Three people are walking down the street and see a young child that could really use being in the pre-school that they're all in front of. One walks inside and pays the school for 1-year's tuition for the child. Another finds out who the child's parent(s) are and decides to take it upon himself to make sure that he/she/they have a good, solid job(s). The third, a 65yo female politician, pulls out a gun, takes money from the other 2 and pays the school enough for them to take in all the poor kids they can fit ... for the next year.

    So, who's the most generous of the 3?" - hpr641 February 23, 2012 10:05 am

    Similar thing going on, as usual, in higher education. Economy bad, legislature cuts funding, universities raise tuition. ALWAYS... part of the case to raise tuition is that a very significant portion of the greater tuition revenue is put into increased "student aid"! Net result - those who manage to pay their way also pay for those who can't. Similar to the health care system!

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 10:24 a.m.

    "hold on, aetius476... you're actually arguing that teachers are OVERPAID? Seriously? Starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor's degree is $30,430 and starting salary with a master's degree is $33,470. That's hardly an exorbitant sum. How someone can argue that teachers are overpaid is truly absurd to me..." - whinnfjord February 23, 2012 10:09 am

    I'm not a pre and/or K-12 school teacher, but I was many years ago and I continue to closely follow what "goes on" in education. I see CONSTANT and even VENOMOUS criticism of teachers from some posters - that is totally, completely unwarranted/unfounded. Sure... there are some BAD teachers out there who need to "go", but far too much responsibility is put on teachers! See one of my previous posts - you can have the BEST teacher in the universe in the classroom, but if the kids go home to a TV on 24/7 tuned to imbecilic "sit-coms", "reality" shows, Jerry Springer type shows, etc., etc. - NO teacher can "undo" that damaging enviroment!!!

  • Kaitlyn Feb 23, 10:19 a.m.

    "we have one part of government attempting to do something while another part of our government is working very hard to "undo" it! Now... how much sense - common or otherwise - DOES THAT MAKE?"

    That makes no sense at all, but the voters do not care. The voters are like spectators at some kind of tag-team wrestling match, cheering whenever their team score a hit on their opponent. Everyone gets beat up and there are no winners in this situation. That is why there is never any progress.

  • North Carolina Home Feb 23, 10:13 a.m.

    Does anybody reading this story find the headline disingenuous?

  • whinnfjord Feb 23, 10:09 a.m.

    hold on, aetius476... you're actually arguing that teachers are OVERPAID? Seriously? Starting salary for a teacher with a bachelor's degree is $30,430 and starting salary with a master's degree is $33,470. That's hardly an exorbitant sum. How someone can argue that teachers are overpaid is truly absurd to me...

    Source for teacher salary statistics:
    http://www.dpi.state.nc.us/docs/fbs/finance/salary/schedules/2011-12schedules.pdf

  • hpr641 Feb 23, 10:05 a.m.

    Three people are walking down the street and see a young child that could really use being in the pre-school that they're all in front of. One walks inside and pays the school for 1-year's tuition for the child. Another finds out who the child's parent(s) are and decides to take it upon himself to make sure that he/she/they have a good, solid job(s). The third, a 65yo female politician, pulls out a gun, takes money from the other 2 and pays the school enough for them to take in all the poor kids they can fit ... for the next year.

    So, who's the most generous of the 3?

  • westernwake1 Feb 23, 10:01 a.m.

    "I agree with you on the general idea that we need this, but teachers at the private pre-schools don't tend to have Masters. They do have BAs with special certifications, usually." - babbleon

    You are correct from my understanding of thinks. In the paid private Pre-K schools that my children attended. The Director of the program had an Masters education degree. The teachers had BA's typically and many assistants had two year degrees (but not all).

    I will state that this program was great for my children, but it did not cater to children with special needs (Autism, etc.) that many of the public school Pre-K programs specialize in.

  • didisaythat Feb 23, 9:59 a.m.

    When you tighten eligibility rules you attempt to make the program available to the ones that really need the assistance. Good for GOP. The lLiberals are just like my wife, no concept of economics. You can only spend so much until you can't pay for the absolute necessities in life. It would be great if the government could pay for everything, but Greece has proven they can't. The US has also proven that with national debt. Now why is this common sense concept so difficult for the liberals to grasp. Their answer of just putting more money into a program does not work in the real world.

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 9:53 a.m.

    ""Under current state guidelines, a 4-year-old is considered "at risk" if the child's family makes less than $39,000 a year."

    So if you make less than $40K a year you are considered impoverished and your kids are "at risk"?

    Who makes up these rules? The overpaid, master's degreed teachers teaching these 4 year olds to "walk in a line" and "eat in a cafeteria", as one of those teachers stated yesterday?
    aetius476
    February 23, 2012 9:14 am

    Although there is a relationship - far more than money leads to a child being "at risk" or not "at risk". Even if the family income is well into 6 figures or above, but the TV is on 24/7 and tuned to nothing but imbecilic "sit-coms", "reality" shows, Jerry Springer type programs, etc. - any child in such environment is AT RISK! I could give many such examples - and examples of how a child is NOT at risk in a household with income of only $20,000.00! Parents - YES YOU - PARENTS have far more impact on a child's "education" than do the schools!!!

  • Deb1003 Feb 23, 9:43 a.m.

    The open slots should be available to the children needing it the most.

  • Objective Scientist Feb 23, 9:41 a.m.

    This is truly a multifaceted issue without simple solutions/answers. Good research can help us answer lots of questions and to find solutions to problems/challenges - and I will always be in support of "GOOD" research. Nevertheless, we must also factor in and apply plain 'ole "COMMON-SENSE". Some of what I read in these comments would get a grade of "F" on "common-sense". However, the greatest source of frustration in this matter - as indicated in the article - is that we have one part of government attempting to do something while another part of our government is working very hard to "undo" it! Now... how much sense - common or otherwise - DOES THAT MAKE? This blatant partisan "one-ups-manship" is beyond ridiculous, extremely wasteful of taxpayer money, perpetuated inefficiency, etc., and - is not even in the same universe with any notion of "common-sense" and/or good research findings. Most, not all, MOST of our elected officials are "letting us down" in a truly disgusting way!

  • commonsense4 Feb 23, 9:35 a.m.

    "The GOP wants to keep people out of school, uneducated and uniformed. That's how the build their party base."

    This has been their plan for years, and now they have the Kochs to help them dumb down the electorate.

    People - the GOP wants nothing more than more uneducated and poorly educated Americans so they can manipulate your highly suggestible minds. They want to end all public education! They also convinced you that high taxes on the rich will hurt job growth. Since 1950, employment growth was at its lowest when tax rates on the rich were low. When tax rates on the rich were high, employment growth was up.

    But due to their poorly educated electorate, nobody ever believes the facts.

  • readme Feb 23, 9:29 a.m.

    "Ever meet a smart, educated republican who cares about his fellow man? Me neither." - brmyspots. I have a masters degree, usually vote Republican, and I care about my fellow man. Some of us just think that handouts to solve problems don't actually solve problems. I think handouts encourage more lazy, irresponsible, uneducated behavior that creates poverty to begin with. I would give the shirt off my back to someone who needed it who I knew was working as hard as possible to improve his own situation. The problem is, every one of us knows lots of people who are just lazy moochers. These people far outnumber the true needy. A mentally ill vet living on the street needs help. A baby mama with three kids from different fathers, all who don't work or pay child support but have cars with new rims... they need a kick in the rear.

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