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  • btneast Dec 15, 6:29 p.m.

    why not toll road.

    ....because there is no alternative route. Did you read any of the previous posts?

  • btneast Dec 15, 6:27 p.m.

    Show me someone that actually owns land on Hatteras that is not wealthy.

    ....what does owning the land have to do with it, rent or own, they still live there and have to get to work .

    If the State was concerned about tourism then all the Outer Banks would have been turned into Park Property so all could enjoy.

    ...trust me , you do NOT want that. NPS is trying their best to deny access to the beaches for all now in the their part now.

  • warbirdlover Dec 15, 5:53 p.m.

    Just fix their road. As citizens of North Carolina they have just as much right to have their road fixed as any other citizen. What about when mud slides and rock slides destroy mountain roads,everytime there is a big rain or road that have a sinkhole show up in the middle of the night. Quit whinning, just because you don't live there.

  • gkgreene Dec 15, 5:16 p.m.

    A lot of money for a road that has an average daily traffic much less than other areas in the state that have traffic conjestion on a daily basis--- why not toll road. I seriously doubt that the tax revenue off rentals and other business for this area would ever come close to ammortizing the construction cost along with the yearly maintenance funds used on this road.

  • bubbba Dec 15, 5:08 p.m.

    That a small handful will benefit is secondary. Those of you who think the only folks out there are rich landowners are really uninformed.
    btneast
    - You sir are the one that is uninformed. Show me someone that actually owns land on Hatteras that is not wealthy. There may be a few but not many.
    I have Barrier Island property and I am opposed to more Gov. handouts, which is what this road is. If the State was concerned about tourism then all the Outer Banks would have been turned into Park Property so all could enjoy. The last time I checked this Country is going broke and tauting a shutdown, our State not much better. Your grandkids and mine will be paying for our mistakes.

  • btneast Dec 15, 4:44 p.m.

    While no doubt it will enrich some, it will drain the pockets of tax payers

    ...not sure how building a bridge will enrich some, other than making it easier to access for renters. The purpose of the road is to maintain the tourism dollars to the state. That a small handful will benefit is secondary. Those of you who think the only folks out there are rich landowners are really uninformed.

  • ratherbnwpb Dec 15, 3:57 p.m.

    Let the private interests that benefit fund the project in its entirety. Surely the "privateers" that live there would agree - get the government out of the business of building a road on a barrier island of shifting sand.

    You are already paying for it just by buying a gallon of gasoline while you drive on those highways, or buy that new car! Get used to it!

  • soyousay Dec 15, 3:50 p.m.

    "The tax revenue generated by tourism dollars on Hatteras Island far outweighs the cost of maintaining the road'

    he initial price tag for any of these ideas is over 200 million...the area served is just a small part of the outer banks. While no doubt it will enrich some, it will drain the pockets of tax payers.

  • sunshine1040 Dec 15, 3:45 p.m.

    Those that trace their ancestory back to the 1800s What kids of rad was on the island then and how did they get to the island i bet they took a boat and that is what they need to do now . whatever you build on shifting sand is going to keep on shifting

  • independent_thinker Dec 15, 2:58 p.m.

    Let the private interests that benefit fund the project in its entirety. Surely the "privateers" that live there would agree - get the government out of the business of building a road on a barrier island of shifting sand.

    While we're at it - get rid of the FEMA funded, underpriced [read: subsidized] wind and flood insurance business. I'm quite sure coastal homeowners would be willing to pay fair market value for insurance to avoid the blemish of a "handout".

  • bubbba Dec 15, 2:54 p.m.

    Got a home on Barrier Islands. Not in favor of your tax dollars helping me get to my rental property. I dont share my house or profit with you. That rode will never last long. Toll road I am ok with. Rebuilding every few years is a waste of taxpayer money.

  • durham_nc Dec 15, 2:13 p.m.

    It is a very expensive project. Make it toll, I'll pay 5 or 10 bucks to cross the bridge. I'd rather that then tax thousands of people who will never even make it out there.

  • Nope Dec 15, 1:53 p.m.

    "The tax revenue generated by tourism dollars on Hatteras Island far outweighs the cost of maintaining the road."

    That may be, but that money does not go to funding the road rebuilding every two years.

  • DontLikeTheSocialistObama Dec 15, 1:39 p.m.

    Make it a toll road and let the locals who benefit from tourism and the tourists pay for it.

    Makes more sense than tolling NC-540 and NC-147 in Wake County and making people pay tolls to get to and from work.

  • btneast Dec 15, 1:30 p.m.

    ...Anyone ever heard of Basnights Lone Cedar Cafe? Ooops, that just kinda slipped out

    ...not affected by the breach's, his cafe is in Nags Head....miles and miles from the area in question. He is out of power now anyway.

  • VW girl 2013 Dec 15, 1:28 p.m.

    I wish they would do something about I-40 out of Johnston County. First, they give us an extra lane, then they take it away. Plus, there have been accidents every morning this week...it's horrible!

  • truth9806 Dec 15, 1:28 p.m.

    Make it a toll road, let those who use it pay for it..again and again and again

  • luv2surffish2 Dec 15, 1:06 p.m.

    turds
    of selc wont let anything happen that does not make the birders happy.. k thm

  • luv2surffish2 Dec 15, 1:04 p.m.

    screw the environmental whakos.. fix the road

  • icmfal Dec 15, 12:58 p.m.

    DOT just needs to let it go. Those islands were never meant to be there forever. If you buy property on the beach or especially on a barrier Island - you may have and enjoy it for many years, or you may only get to enjoy it for 1 season. Mother Nature will ultimately win the battle.

  • packfan27 Dec 15, 12:23 p.m.

    Dot knows better, the feds do too. As voters we should ask ourselves 'who gives DOT their marching orders'? Hmmm...interesting.

    In unrelated news...Anyone ever heard of Basnights Lone Cedar Cafe? Ooops, that just kinda slipped out.

  • Fillet and Release Dec 15, 12:19 p.m.

    "Not being snarky but are there any studys out there for this? All I ever hear is just some poll stating this as fact. It's bad enough the ENTIRE state subsidizes the outer bank's home insurance."

    Studies?? Polls???? - Not sure what you mean. Tax revenue is public record - Google is your friend.

  • Frank Downtown Dec 15, 12:11 p.m.

    Abandon the islands? No! Let yankees build more houses so when they wash in to the see they create a sea wall to hold the island inplace and lets have our taxes pay for it.

    It would be more plausable to have the government to begin buying up land to add it to the national seashore and not allow the villages to grow or build more luxury houses.

  • alexsrus93 Dec 15, 12:05 p.m.

    I didn't even get the chance yet to say "let the complaining begin". So, without further interruption, let the complaining begin.

  • Capt Mercury Dec 15, 12:03 p.m.

    "How about DC, NYC, Boston, the majority of Florida, MD, DE, and Coastal Virginia? We should probably just abandon them as well too, right?"

    With the exception of parts of coastal Virginia, all of those places you list do have bedrock and are not migrating barrier islands. Somebody needs another geology lesson before they try to talk highlanders into subsidizing their coastal lifestyle.

  • ncmickey Dec 15, 11:44 a.m.

    There is no long term solution, besides closing the road and going to ferry system. It would be substantially cheaper to just repair the road as needed. Yes, 2 times in 8 years. But it could easily also be 10 years with no washouts.
    That bridge is another story. They need to build a new bridge and toll it.

  • Billfisher Dec 15, 11:41 a.m.

    There is a reason why long-standing cities and towns are built on higher ground (with bedrock underneath them). NC does not need its own New Orleans!!!
    Capt Mercury

    How about DC, NYC, Boston, the majority of Florida, MD, DE, and Coastal Virginia? We should probably just abandon them as well too, right?

  • wral mods blow close my account Dec 15, 11:38 a.m.

    "The tax revenue generated by tourism dollars on Hatteras Island far outweighs the cost of maintaining the road."

    Not being snarky but are there any studys out there for this? All I ever hear is just some poll stating this as fact. It's bad enough the ENTIRE state subsidizes the outer bank's home insurance.

  • wral mods blow close my account Dec 15, 11:35 a.m.

    Make it a toll road

  • mhazouri Dec 15, 11:27 a.m.

    Somebody needs his head examined.

  • btneast Dec 15, 11:15 a.m.

    The only sensible long-term solution is to let the outer banks return to what they really are, and that is simply, barrier islands that are not habitable under abnormal conditions

    ....Hmmm, tell that to the locals that trace their ancestry back to the 1800's......

  • btneast Dec 15, 11:10 a.m.

    This is just another subsidy for wealthy property owners there.

    ...you obviously have never been to the area in question (Buxton/Hatteras, not Nags Head). Most of the residents are working class that have been there for many generations. Yes, there are some nice houses there too, but they are by far the minority. Maintaining Hwy 12 is about sustaining a huge source of income for the state. Tourism is one of the top three revenue producing industries in NC. Not keeping vehicular access is cutting your nose off to spite your face.

  • dwarner3 Dec 15, 10:56 a.m.

    The only sensible long-term solution is to let the outer banks return to what they really are, and that is simply, barrier islands that are not habitable under abnormal conditions thereby taxpayers should not be obligated to pay for any upkeep. they are accessible by boat and that's fine with me

  • Fillet and Release Dec 15, 10:39 a.m.

    "We will continue to pour money into this situation with only temporary successes."

    Who is the "we"? - Dare County produces taxed based revenue to the State of NC at nearly $10 per every $1 of State funds spent in Dare County!
    The tourist industry (mostly from other States) sends a LOT of money to Raleigh - Spend it on the bridge.

    Great idea to remove generations of people from their homes. Guess they will know what the Native Americans felt like!

    Shut out the tourist industry and let the bridge crumble. The residents of NC can make up the tax shortfall, then complain about the beach we have no acess to!!!

  • timbo10.0 Dec 15, 10:33 a.m.

    Remove the road. Pretty simple. Let the people that live off the tourists find another job.

  • Capt Mercury Dec 15, 10:28 a.m.

    Dear NC DOT,

    These are migrating barrier islands that you are dealing with here. Whatever you build on them will be destroyed in time unless you spend enormous resources to maintain an artificial island in place. Let the people who insist on living and vacationing there in permanent structures pay the cost. A toll causeway (road, bridge, whatever) comes to mind.

    Those who have used these islands for centuries as only temporary places to camp, hike, fish, etc., are free to do so by whatever means possible: again, at their own expense.

    There is a reason why long-standing cities and towns are built on higher ground (with bedrock underneath them). NC does not need its own New Orleans!!!

  • rocket Dec 15, 10:17 a.m.

    Ferry boats are just not practical to handle the volume and they would come at a cost too. Toll roads are only an option if there is an alternate route. Every time this story comes up people start whining about the cost. The tax revenue generated by tourism dollars on Hatteras Island far outweighs the cost of maintaining the road.

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Dec 15, 10:14 a.m.

    How about working to migrate people OFF the islands? Discourage building on SAND.

    At the very least, stop building roads right over new inlets that are naturally created. Yes, folks, it's an amazing thing to realize, but sand MOVES...

  • Rebelyell55 Dec 15, 10:13 a.m.

    13 reg. agencies? All those people? No wonder the goverment is broke. Some body got way too much money. Time to clean up this abuse. Ferry service.

  • Frizz Dec 15, 10:09 a.m.

    Barrier islands (like our Outer Banks) are like a "river of sand" according to Duke Geology professor Dr. Orin Pilkey. They are constantly in motion and will never be stable. The idea of a bridge utilizing pontoons has advantages but the depth required to hit bedrock is excessive and would cost billions if not trillions of dollars.

    The final answer is to move everybody off the islands and let Mother Nature take her course. But NOBODY wants that to happen, especially me. We will continue to pour money into this situation with only temporary successes.

  • hp277 Dec 15, 9:59 a.m.

    "Among the solutions being considered is elevating more than four miles of the highway onto bridges, DOT spokesman Steve Abbot said. That option would cost several hundred million dollars."

    Stop the madness - this is crazy. Building "permanent" roads on shifting barrier islands will never ever work. This is just another subsidy for wealthy property owners there.

  • josep4567 Dec 15, 9:56 a.m.

    Levy from Chesapeake to Myrtle Beach !

  • warbirdlover Dec 15, 9:48 a.m.

    cantbtaught
    The only problem with that idea is that the bedrock is so deep in this area. It isn't like the Florida Keys, were you have a solid foundation of Coral and rock right below the surface of the water. I got this from the Army Corps of Engineers website about the Outer Banks. The deepest cores taken in the area indicate that the soil is composed of silty sands, clays, and gravels which extend down at least 20 m (70 ft). Any rocks would be found at least 7000 ft down since all the material found here is a result of relatively recent sedimentation (on the order of tens of thousands of years ago). An oil well from 1945 drilled to 10,000 feet in Cape Hatteras and found no sign of bed rock.

  • Nope Dec 15, 9:45 a.m.

    Toll road, whatever the type may be.

  • haggis basher Dec 15, 9:31 a.m.

    ferry boats.

  • itneverchanges Dec 15, 9:28 a.m.

    Man can not beat mother nature!! We can only react to what she does! Instead of building roads why don't they look into pontoon type of bridges. They can be anchored in the bedrock and when a hurricane comes moved out of harms way until it passes. Then put them back in place. It will serve the few that use it and spend the money on the rest of us who actually can benefit from it in rebuilding what is MORE important.

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