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  • bluewind Nov 29, 3:35 p.m.

    Wrong follow the money! There are millions of people who care very much what is that "man made" book! Obviously you don't, so please don't bother responding...

  • ncdixie1 Nov 29, 1:50 p.m.

    Looks like many are misguided here. What makes ya'll think I give one ioda about what they do up in NJ & NY? We are talking about NC. I believe in keeping your pants up and your dress down. One plate for our state that doesn't include the Wright Brothers from Ohio on it.

  • Sherlock Nov 29, 11:12 a.m.

    What does it take to get a plate approved?

  • Follow_The_Money27617 Nov 29, 11:08 a.m.

    Plenty Coups...it's not do as "I" say...it's do as the BIBLE says...And it's not do as I believe...you are free to believe whatever you want.It's called free will...I can tell you are passionate about your beliefs...you've had a lot to say here. Too bad you are so misguided...
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    No one cares what your 10000 times over again translated man made book with missing pieces says. Where did the Book of Enoch go? Why are there so many different translations? Are you insane? Talk about misguided.

  • bluewind Nov 29, 10:37 a.m.

    Plenty Coups...it's not do as "I" say...it's do as the BIBLE says...And it's not do as I believe...you are free to believe whatever you want.It's called free will...I can tell you are passionate about your beliefs...you've had a lot to say here. Too bad you are so misguided...

  • Objective Scientist Nov 29, 10:05 a.m.

    All this about license plates? IMO - the "personalized" plate situation has become ridiculous. Not too long ago anyone could determine by a "mere glance" the state from which a license plate was issued... NO MORE! I truly empathize and sympathize with law enforcement having to attempt to "read" a plate. As long as it does not contain profanity and/or is "vulgar" it appears that as soon as the number of applications reach the magic number... a plate can be issued that promotes and/or proclaims almost anything! Some plates "raise money" for some good causes... but perhaps we should go back to "standard plates" for all. That being said... with such an issue as "Choose Life" or "Pro-Choice", I unequivocally believe that if a plate is "allowed" for one - it must be allowed for the other.

  • edith wharton Nov 29, 9:39 a.m.

    People are certainly allowed their viewpoints. If this plate were approved, I would expect that other plates would not be blocked from approval. Sadly, that is not what has happened here. Nor, honestly, would I expect it to be. NC has a terrible track record for allowing all views to be expressed.

  • DavidJonathan Nov 29, 9:30 a.m.

    We probably ought to keep partisan/religious/personal issues off of plates altogether. I have to admit I really don't want to see plates celebrating the choice of abortion as if it were something to be celebrated. I think celebrating life is more positive, but I can see where others don't want to see my viewpoint on state-issued plates either.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 29, 8:13 a.m.

    brightlight-"What do you mean, specifically? The case was whether the "choose life" plate could be offered. There was no pro-choice plate at all."

    That those states are unlike this state. Alternative pro-choice plates were brought up here in NC and were denied by republicans six times. A clear case of "freedom of speech for those who only have our viewpoint." NY and NJ haven't had alternative plates suggested yet to my knowledge.

  • BrightLight Nov 28, 7:53 p.m.

    "Yes, but they also made it clear they couldn't censor other viewpoints." What do you mean, specifically? The case was whether the "choose life" plate could be offered. There was no pro-choice plate at all.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 7:36 p.m.

    "Earlier this month a Federal court approved a similar specialty plate in New York after an almost 10 years legal battle."

    Yes, but they also made it clear they couldn't censor other viewpoints.

  • BrightLight Nov 28, 7:27 p.m.

    Earlier this month a Federal court approved a similar specialty plate in New York after an almost 10 years legal battle. Last year a similar ruling was handed down in the state of New Jersey.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 6:53 p.m.

    FWAAAA-"...let them have their "choose life" plates. Freedom of speech. Simply put. "Pro-life" or "Pro-choice" is not the issue at hand. It should simply be a "Pro-First Amendment" issue. I cannot comprehend the ACLU's logic here."

    Let me explain it to you and the others that want to overlook reality...again. They have denied alternative "pro-choice" plates for NC. Six times!!! That isn't "freedom of speech". It's do as we want you to do. They want to deny freedom of speech to those who don't believe in what the way they think they should believe. Government shouldn't be picking a side on a controversial issue. Once again, here is the truth about how the General Assembly denied any alternative plate (Guess 4 times posting it isn'tenough):

    http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10102424/

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 6:47 p.m.

    bluewind-"But to abort an innocent child in the womb, that is murder."

    But what you and others can't seem to comprehend is, is that not everybody agrees with you.

    " Our country has the blood of millions of innocents on its hands...and we will be punished for it."

    Yes, this tired old argument from religious zealots has been around for as long as there has been religion. Do as I say and believe as I do or you will be punished!!!!

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 6:44 p.m.

    RKBA-"That freedom of speech is SO threatening to you libs, isn't it?"

    It's not about that. It's about abortion opponents and ONLY abortion opponents having freedom of speech. The republicans blocked SIX attempts to make a pro-choice license plate. It's freedom of speech for only those who agree with them! Absolutely amazing how you can't see that or even acknowledge it. The party of limited government is once again trying to legislate morality by forcing THEIR morality on everyone. Apparently government should only be limited when it suits their agenda. Once again, I'll post a link proving my point:

    http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10102424/

  • BrightLight Nov 28, 6:32 p.m.

    Find me 12 good men(or women)who will convict an unborn child of a capital crime. Then we can talk about abortion vs the death penalty.

  • FWAAAAAAAAA Nov 28, 6:17 p.m.

    @bluewind

    I thought killing was killing. Someone's life is being taken away from him/her in either case. Could you please elaborate on how stopping the beating heart of a human being differs between either scenerio?

  • jd21 Nov 28, 6:15 p.m.

    Storchheim--if you would have read my earlier posts you would have seen I practice medicine.So,yes,I have dealt with developing babies pre-birth in ALL ways..Thank You.And I was waiting for the old tired "you're a man" deal.Guess what,storch..when I was much younger I dealt with an "unplanned" pregnancy situation myself with a mother I wasn't married to.So,this isn't arbitrary guess work for me.And believe it or not,I was brainwashed like many others back then & not "pro-life."The mother originally was thinking in terms of abortion.I was conditioned to be "pro-choice" then by the lovely media,etc.,but the overwhelming feeling as I was starting my medical education was "this isn't right."We sat down & talked it out.In the end,we decided our baby should live,& she did.It meant dreams deferred or lost,lots of selfish things not got.But today she is a beautiful young woman with a Masters Degree working helping kids at a huge hospital & married.We both are thankful everyday we chose life.

  • bluewind Nov 28, 6:03 p.m.

    You can't compare the death penalty to abortion...the death penalty is not murder. It is ridding society of an evil person, i.e...Eve Carson's murderers. If found guilty, they should be executed. But to abort an innocent child in the womb, that is murder. Our country has the blood of millions of innocents on its hands...and we will be punished for it.

  • ptrrrk1 Nov 28, 6:03 p.m.

    I'm pro choice.....

  • FWAAAAAAAAA Nov 28, 5:52 p.m.

    I knew the comments would be priceless on this one...

    ...let them have their "choose life" plates. Freedom of speech. Simply put. "Pro-life" or "Pro-choice" is not the issue at hand. It should simply be a "Pro-First Amendment" issue. I cannot comprehend the ACLU's logic here. If people want to participate in their expressions of moral "self-pleasure" on their plates, let them.

  • seriouslyrevoked Nov 28, 5:52 p.m.

    "self righteous and the proud are the ones who will get the cold hard awakening at the gates of Heaven".
    So you profess to know the gates of heaven? Are you familiar with Hubris?

    "LOVE to see who is ready to shoot doctors, cuss anyone who opposes their views at their rallies and protests, who would force their ideas and moralities on others, who hates our Constitution enough that they would gladly force their religion on us through State sponsorship"
    So morally you really believe people who see sanctity in life as murders? Intellectually you believe the constitution actually was pro abortion? I will accept as written it gives that right. As for State sponsored religion, you realize we do have the greatest, if often ignored, constitution which expressly has clause separating church and state, although to most of us it has been abused by the so called progressives. And while violence on any side is wrong, surely you must gag suggesting the right equals the left circumventing free speech

  • RKBA Nov 28, 5:51 p.m.

    "...if this group stays in power in NC, it is probably next."

    That freedom of speech is SO threatening to you libs, isn't it?

  • RKBA Nov 28, 5:49 p.m.

    "Why do some folks want more women to die from abortions again."

    Nobody does of course... you just made that up.

    It's killing babies that is the problem.

  • sunshine1040 Nov 28, 5:43 p.m.

    Why do some folks want more women to die from abortions again. these wormen did not get pregnant alone but yet some one wants them to carry a child for 9 months and then try to raise it alone. It is hard enought for 2 people to raise a child with disabilities or one that was concieved in rape and if a person is under the age of 18 when becoing pregnant then most do not have the knowlege or ability or money to raise a child. sorry abortion is between the Mother the person who will be the father and a Doctor not a stranger that does not know all the circumstances

  • Relic Nov 28, 5:42 p.m.

    I am still amazed that people get angry because someone believes that a child inside a uterus deserves the same protection and love as one that's on the outside of one. I cannot fathom the logic or rationalization of thinking otherwise. If you disagree why do you care what I have on my license plate? Oh...that's right...because "Choose choice" sounds silly and "Choose death" would be counter-productive.

  • RomneyRyan2012 Nov 28, 5:37 p.m.

    No plates for abortion supporters? Make one! duh!!!

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 5:29 p.m.

    cherokee-"If they want a plate, follow the appropriate proceedures. They work for everyone else!"

    Except your argument isn't true. The general assembly blocked 6 attempts from the pro choice crowd.

    http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10102424/

  • froggygirl Nov 28, 5:18 p.m.

    I don't care if people want to cover their cars with choose life bumper stickers, but this is too volatile an issue for the state to be involved. I say no plates for either side.

  • as400_guru Nov 28, 5:16 p.m.

    Why is it that a woman is not strong enough to live with her decisions? Why suck the baby into a sink when all the woman had to do was say "no" to sex?

  • storchheim Nov 28, 5:10 p.m.

    "."Whether you believe in God,or Karma, or whatever--most people can agree "what goes around comes around," or "what you reap, you sow."So then,what as a nation can we expect if we allow the legalized murder of innocent babies..." -jd21

    And that's the point. It's between me, my God, my doctor and my partner.

    And what I believe that I have sowed isn't necessarily, nor does it have to, agree with YOUR assessment of what I've sowed. Stop trying to force your beliefs on me at the top of your lungs.

    You're a man, aren't you?

  • storchheim Nov 28, 5:07 p.m.

    jd21: "I've dealt with developing babies..."

    Please elaborate. In what capacity exactly have you "dealt" with them? What do you mean by "dealt"? It's easy to sit and lose your head behind a keyboard but you're straining cred.

  • cherokee43v6 Nov 28, 4:31 p.m.

    HONESTLY! It takes like 500 signatures on a DMV petition that indicates willingness to purchase the plate. If they want a plate, follow the appropriate proceedures. They work for everyone else!

  • Road-wearier Nov 28, 4:25 p.m.

    The 'pro life' crowd would have you believe that if Roe v Wade is overturned that abortion will magically stop. No. What will stop is legal, safe procedures. What will start are unsanitary, illegal procedures of the sort that kill - KILL - one out of every 100 desperate women who resort to abortion for reasons of personal shame, poverty, whatever. THAT is what the 'compassionate pro life' people won't tell you. Safe abortion will remain for those wealthy enough to send their daughters out of the country. For the rest of the population, it's a return to backroom danger. Is this what you want for your daughters and sisters?

    Once again it's the conservatives getting government out of their lives and into yours. As for what goes round, comes around...you guys better hope it's not true. Because the self righteous and the proud are the ones who will get the cold hard awakening at the gates of Heaven.

  • bigal02282 Nov 28, 4:20 p.m.

    Is this STILL a contentious issue in North Carolina? I thought we were beyond monkey trials and witch hunts. Evidently not. So what we're saying here is that some folks want everyone to know that they are anti-abortion, am I correct? As a liberal, I am ALL FOR THIS. I would LOVE to see who is ready to shoot doctors, cuss anyone who opposes their views at their rallies and protests, who would force their ideas and moralities on others, who hates our Constitution enough that they would gladly force their religion on us through State sponsorship, and whose car it is that needs some "adjusting".

  • BubbaDuke Nov 28, 4:14 p.m.

    Let's see if I can sneak this one past the moderator this time...

    The DMV should come up with a plate that says "Choose Murder"; that way people can order whichever license plate that reflects their moral state. Pro-Choice is misleading, as the victim has no choice; thus the correct description is 'murder'.

  • DavidJonathan Nov 28, 4:12 p.m.

    This one is not easy for me. I can see the "Choose Life" plates being upheld on freedom of speech grounds and on the fact that those two words are broad enough to encompass many ways in which one might choose life. On the other hand, there is a problem with allowing a government agency such as the DMV to appear to be taking sides in a political or quasi-religious debate. And what would the other side's plates look like? "Choose abortion"? "Choice"? "Pro-Choice"? Just doesn't have the positive ring that the pro-lifers have on this one.

  • jd21 Nov 28, 4:09 p.m.

    Methinkthis made some very important and insightful comments.If we are a nation that KILLS its weakest citizens by the MILLIONS since Roe v. Wade (which needs to be reversed on legal grounds if nothing else, see my previous post),then there is NO more important issue.This shedding of innocent blood & cheapening of the value of human life is a curse against our land.Perhaps the issues we now face as a nation, since many are based on selfishness, greed, arrogance at their base--have their root in legal infanticide,ie. "abortion."Whether you believe in God,or Karma, or whatever--most people can agree "what goes around comes around," or "what you reap, you sow."So then,what as a nation can we expect if we allow the legalized murder of innocent babies for generally no other reason than selfishness or inconvenience.We NEED TO FIX THIS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.Think about it !There is NO more important issue;the other ones spring from this evil root.Like a weed; the root has to be destroyed.

  • OnlyTheBestWillDo Nov 28, 4:09 p.m.

    So sad

  • jd21 Nov 28, 4:00 p.m.

    Objective Scientist,if this really is all about "Choice" as they would want you to believe,then why doesn't that person being killed,ie. a living,developing human with a heartbeat & neural activity in the womb,get a choice too???Kinda funny how the so-called "choice" is being made for them,but that is somehow OK.Do you think they would want to be brutally killed?I've dealt with developing babies--yes babies,not tissue blobs,not embryos,not fetuses (all semantics to hide the real issue).If its all about "choice;"then I think they get a choice too.But its not really about "choice" at all;its about selfishness & irresponsibility on the part of those making the "choice" to kill.Tidy up their little inconvenient problem.Roe v. Wade was a bogus decision made on the basis of an anonymous alleged complainant,who has since denounced it herself,based on a "Right to Privacy" that exists NOWHERE in the Constitution. Where the Declaration of Independence clearly states "Right to LIFE, Liberty..."

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 3:52 p.m.

    dwtwnboy-"Choose Christianity"- oh for goodness sake- don't give the Thumpers any ideas!!!"

    Sadly, if this group stays in power in NC, it is probably next. At least the attempt, in order to better appeal to the thumpers.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 3:49 p.m.

    didisay that-"If that is the case than a group should put a request in to have a plate supports abortion."

    Six different attempts were made to do this. SIX! They were all voted down by the republican majority. The argument that "the state isn't preventing pro choice plates" is totally false. They are.

    Wral reported back on this during the summer.

    http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/10102424/

  • umop apisdn Nov 28, 3:48 p.m.

    "who takes up for the innocent children who have no voice."

    Is that a question or statement? Anyway, an embryo is not an innocent child. I had one pull a gun on me once; changed my view forever.

  • umop apisdn Nov 28, 3:45 p.m.

    How about just one license plate? It's a white field with blue text. The text is determined by a three-letter, four-digit ordering system. If you want to say something on the back of your car get a bumpter sticker.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 3:44 p.m.

    "There is nothing to prohibit a pro-abortion group from applying for a plate if they wish to."

    Except the General Assembly.

    "But for a federal judge to, out of the blue, to rule a group of North Carolina citizens cannot have a plate issued"

    Because the state is endorsing one side of a controversial, yet legal issue with their approval of this license plate.

  • Plenty Coups Nov 28, 3:40 p.m.

    plentycoups-"The state should not be allowed to use its authority to promote one side of a debate while denying the same opportunity to the other side."

    Ready2taxi-"Wrong, the opportunity does exist... Once DMV receives 300 orders, the plate is made available to the public."

    Your post is misleading and false. House Bill 289 authorized specific license plates approved by the General Assembly. The 300 signatures only applied to PRE-APPROVED plates. If you can prove otherwise, please provide a specific link. A general link to the NC DOT says nothing about this issue. Here is a link to House Bill 289 which mentions the plates to be allowed (including Choose Life)

    http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H289v4.pdf

  • ssgoodlife Nov 28, 3:40 p.m.

    the judge might feel differently if he was aborted.....who takes up for the innocent children who have no voice....not spineless people like this

  • Scubagirl Nov 28, 3:40 p.m.

    Seems most of you are missing a point......it's not 'choose death', 'pro-abortion' as many seem to feel. Rather it's PRO-CHOICE! As a woman it is MY right to choose, be that choice against others beliefs.

    I've asked this before, but I'll ask again.....how many who are adamantly against abortion for any reason have adopted unwanted children?

  • didisaythat Nov 28, 3:30 p.m.

    I thought groups make a request for specialty plates. If that is the case than a group should put a request in to have a plate supports abortion. Why does this article try to make it sound like the state is preventing people from making the plates? Has a request been made and denied? If that is the case than the pro-life plate should be stopped...I just don't think that has happened. But I am wierd, I am a Pro-Choice conservative.

  • dwntwnboy Nov 28, 3:27 p.m.

    "Kind of like having a license plate that says, "Choose Christianity"- oh for goodness sake- don't give the Thumpers any ideas!!! LOL

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