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JustOneGodLessThanU Sep 12, 10:19 a.m.
These millions and MILLIONS of dollars could fund REAL research to end disease (like the Bill Gates Foundation). Insted, they will buy incense, candles & decorative hats.
What sort of deity would want such over-the-top homage while 30,000 children starve to death every day on planet earth?
caitlin163 Sep 9, 8:53 a.m.
The cost of the cathedral does seem high, but I suppose if Catholics have the money to spend in the current situation of the economy... then they should do it. Tens of millions of dollars putting architects, contractors, masons, electricians, plumbers, artists and others to work -- plus a beautiful new home for an overcrowded parish. Seems like win-win.
I do not understand where this word "hate" is coming from. In all of my life, I have never heard a cradle or converted Catholic speak hatefully of another person.
I left the church about ten years ago, but I have been thinking about going back just because of the positive example of charity, humility and grace that so many Catholics demonstrate.
amxpress Sep 8, 2:56 p.m.
Though having a new catherdral would be nice, I don't understand how it serves the smaller parishes that are having a hard enough time coping with expansion & growth. I have not been to the present cathedral nor is there a reason I can think of at this time to go; it serves primarily its parishioners. We are told that it is too small to serve its community. So is our church, and many churches in the diocese. Build the new cathedral, but you shouldn't build it with monies from other parishes, monies that should go to their own parish to improve or expand.
lauraleigh Sep 8, 12:20 p.m.
dws - I believe I did answer. I don't expect we'll see one huge outlay in the Works of Mercy, but in time, appropriate to the life of the new Cathedral, I fully expect we'll exceed the order of magnitue. And that's discounting the intangible positive effects of the cathedral - which can't be assigned a price tag, anyway.
dws Sep 8, 11:57 a.m.
lauraleigh, although you did not answer my question, I understand.....completely
lauraleigh Sep 8, 11:38 a.m.
dws - it's not a contradiction. We give a LOT of money to the Corporal Works of Mercy now. Name any other religious organization that provides 25% of the nation's health care, that does the overseas work (think of Mother Teresa of Calcutta) that the Roman Catholic Church does. However - when we get caught up in the temporals, we can get mixed up in the intangible values of Faith, Hope, Love - and we can lose sight of Who God Is in favor of how wonderful we are; this Cathedral will address the Eternal, while continuing and *expanding* the temporals.
dws Sep 8, 11:30 a.m.
Will the Corporal Works of Mercy financial support be increased in the same order of magnitude?
lauraleigh Sep 8, 11:02 a.m.
katrinawb: your post is cutting off because you're going over the max 1000 characters. Cut your post in half if you must, finish it on a second one.
lauraleigh Sep 8, 11:01 a.m.
jrfergerson: the Catholic Church does help the poor and homeless. You (and a lot of other ill-informed people) are presuming that construction of the Cathedral replaces the Corporal Works of Mercy. As in our lives, the two co-exist and are pursued simultaneously. PLEASE try to become better informed on these facts.
lauraleigh Sep 8, 11:00 a.m.
jrfergerson - you complain about not hiring local architects. You mean those Baptist architects who don't have a CLUE as to the relationship between architecture, liturgy and theology? Hey, they built most of the newer (1970s and later) parish sorta-churches in this state: UGLY, irreverent spaces. This guy was chosen primarily because he GETS the theology-architecture relationship. Instead of doing all your bellyaching, maybe you ought to ask "Why?" not insisting we're doing something wrong.
jrfergerson Sep 8, 10:28 a.m.
Building a monstrosity of a building for their own glory- that is not helping people. From other comments, they only lean towards those who can abundantly support the church leaning toward the rich and famous. If there are not enough seats for everyone - convert to more services like other churches have done to fix that problem. But by all mean they don't need to put monies in this extravagance of a building just to see a beautiful addition to Raleigh's architectural catalog. There has been enough waste in monies in Raleigh and other church organizations for that type thing while during the night the streets are filled with homeless people.
katrinawb Sep 8, 8:53 a.m.
I am reposting since my comment was not printed in its entirety:.
Seems there is still quite a bit of anti-Catholic bias in North Carolina. Time to get over that, since Roman Catholicism is the largest growing religious group in the state. For those who are non-believers, I would expect nothing less than mocking criticism. To fellow Christians, I would say you know not whereof you speak. The need for a larger Cathedral (the seat of the Bishop of a diocese) is beyond overdue. I see many, many mega-churches in this part of the country, and no one seems to have any problem with them. The Catholic church has long been in the business of health care, education and so many charitable programs for the poor, elderly, and disenchfranchised that if you would take the trouble to investigate, you would see you how unfairly biased all these negative comments are. As Jesus said to the disciples when they protested the woman who washed Jesus' feet, and anointed him with expensive perfume saying inste
northern-transplant Sep 8, 8:20 a.m.
I'm Catholic and I almost fell out of my chair when I saw this headline. This is a complete sign of disrespect for the poor and those that are struggling in today's economy.
The Catholic faith is beautiful; but the bureaucratic institution governing it these days is out of control.
KEEP THE FAITH! CHANGE THE CHURCH!
jd21 Sep 7, 7:58 p.m.
To quickly address some of other points made. The person at St. Michael's who took funds was a volunteer usher, who lifted it from the plates himself. Not some "high,mighty" administrator as made to seem (not that this hasn't happened in some other churches I'm sure),as a result,there are new Diocese-wide guidelines to prevent it. The Church is not composed of magically perfect folks; it is more the Hospital for all of us who sin; only God alone & His teachings are perfect. So, since He allows His Church to be run by His imperfect children (as a learning experience maybe),there will be individual glitches;just like any other operation involving humans. You don't throw out the baby (the Faith) w/the bathwater.
Catholic Charities (& parishes too) provide millions in help of all forms to all people in NC without regard to their religion or not,or ability to pay. Priests take a vow of poverty;they receive housing & food allowances, & a minimal stipend. They are not the "rich preachers."
jrfergerson Sep 7, 7:55 p.m.
sorry I said IF THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD HERE THEY SHOULD SUPPORT GOOD ARCHITECTS AND BUILDERS HERE instead of spending monies to their chosen - sounds like our politicians to me supporting anyone but the people that qualify so they can stuff their pockets of the chosen.
geosol Sep 7, 7:48 p.m.
Seems to me that this is an appropriate Catholic church for the capital city of North Carolina.
soyousay Sep 7, 7:32 p.m.
jr..Is say if they are going to build in NC they should support NC builders and architect
o how do you qualify...born here, raised her, 1 year, what? They can chosse whoever they wish. really
jrfergerson Sep 7, 7:25 p.m.
What is wrong with using a local in NC to design and build instead of giving your funds to someone from Washington. Mark Gibson in Knightdale, NC is a fine architect and I am sure there are others qualified to do this building. But they had rather pay someone from outside to do this work. Isn't that just like sending NC monies to a foreign country. Is say if they are going to build in NC they should support NC builders and architect
dws Sep 7, 6:34 p.m.
Sitting on the outside (as a Protestant) looking in, I have to scratch my head more than once regarding the amount of money that is planned to be poured into this building project.
kj90 Sep 7, 6:33 p.m.
What nerve does this Church have? Obviously a huge one. It's not the religion that bothers me more-of the massive cost of the project itself and it's presence. The objective of helping the poor seems arrogant and cynical.
lauraleigh Sep 7, 6:29 p.m.
I have a meeting in a few minutes - I wish we had a "Like" or Thumbs Up/Thumbs down feature on GOLO - so many excellent comments here, today. God bless you all - even those who misunderstand and oppose the purpose of the Church.
jd21 - Three cheers! excellent post!
vraptor Sep 7, 6:28 p.m.
I am catholic. You don't need to goto church to practice your religion. Church is good for youn people to teach them morales and for old people to give them solace about what is next. My sister used to goto St Michael in Cary and she had her kids enrolled in that expensive private school. She did a lot of fund raising for the church ment for new buildings on the current site. The head guy there embezzled all the money that was fund raised. He was never charged. I am proud of the catholic religion. But it has show shady people in its ranks.
jd21 Sep 7, 6:14 p.m.
I'm sad to see people attacking this wonderful project. I'm a Catholic now; it wasn't always so. I was Protestant for 30 years & full of all the common misconceptions about the Catholic Church. I was blessed in time-having contact with Catholic people & teachings-to realize there is truly something very real, genuine, & different about the Faith. Many others have already eloquently & gracefully addressed the sad objections raised. If people read the article, Sacred Heart will remain as a parish, caring & ministering downtown (hence why the new Cathedral has a new name); it just won't be the seat of the Diocese anymore. This is not only a Church, as the Bishop said; it will administrate all services for the entire eastern half of NC. As others have truly said, no other organization on Earth has made a more positive contribution in history than the Catholic Church; thousands of hospitals, schools, colleges, etc. worldwide; which continues to non-Catholics & Catholics here in NC to today.
penny for your thoughts Sep 7, 6:11 p.m.
Lets see...Do my weekly contributions go to help run the parish I'm in? Help the poor find food and medical care? Help the homeless find homes? Help the unemployed find work? NO? They they help build $95 million "campus's"! Is this what Jesus would do? Rember the "where 2 or 3 are gathered in my name" quote? That didn't mean build these huge churches for millions....Very dissapointing.
anne53ozzy Sep 7, 6:10 p.m.
JohnnyMc...The Catholics in Ireland were subjected to horrendous treatment under James I. This endured for decades and eventually lead to the famine of the 1840's that brought many Irish Catholics here to be discriminated against again for many years. Study up a bit before you name one religion or another as cruel....
katrinawb Sep 7, 6:09 p.m.
Seems there is still quite a bit of anti-Catholic bias in North Carolina. Time to get over that, since Roman Catholicism is the largest growing religious group in the state. For those who are non-believers, I would expect nothing less than mocking criticism. To fellow Christians, I would say you know not whereof you speak. The need for a larger Cathedral (the seat of the Bishop of a diocese) is beyond overdue. I see many, many mega-churches in this part of the country, and no one seems to have any problem with them. The Catholic church has long been in the business of health care, education and so many charitable programs for the poor, elderly, and disenchfranchised that if you would take the trouble to investigate, you would see you how unfairly biased all these negative comments are. As Jesus said to the disciples when they protested the woman who washed Jesus' feet, and anointed him with expensive perfume, that she should spend that money on the poor instead, his response was
boneymaroney13 Sep 7, 6:07 p.m.
What is wrong with you people?!!!! They're talking about building a church. Had you rather see another pennal institution go up? Or another courthouse go up? Or another welfare office go up? Or another jail go up. I'm not catholic and do not believe in catholic way. I'm baptist and hope we are all striving to reach the same goal - Heaven. If you're not a member of that group, shut your mouth and leave them alone! Let their membership iron this out.
lauraleigh Sep 7, 5:57 p.m.
Two months ago I was in Latrobe, PA, at the Basilica of St Vincent's Archabbey. It is a breathtakingly beautiful building - and I'm sure that the basilica and its attached buildings could not be built for nearly the cost Bp. Burbidge expects for the new Cathedral, today. But it is a place dedicated to the Glory and the Real Presence of God, every single architectural feature is a reminder of God, inspires thoughts of Heaven. If this new facility does any of that (and some of the features in the architect's rendering leave me scratching my head), then I am very glad to contribute out of my extremely limited income to see this cathedral become a reality. And I love the name chosen for it, too.
Individual parishes are in need, yes! But the Cathedral serves all of us, not only those registered there as parishioners. Somehow, we'll make a way to do this. It will be a very good thing.
amxpress Sep 7, 5:50 p.m.
I am concerned about parishes throughout the diocese having to pay for the new cathedral. Many are in need of their own capital improvement. Many are overflowing at the seams and in need of expansion. THAT'S where the money should be going, into the parishes that need it, the ones serving the 42% increase in Catholics. In our case, we'll have to postpone any expansion or additions due to this new endevor.
annbyrd1 Sep 7, 5:49 p.m.
Interesting. They close down the Catholic preschool at St. Mary's in Garner because of "costs" and yet have millions in the Diocese to pay for a new cathedral. Easy to see where their heart is. All about the show and not the substance. Add another to the list of reasons why I left the Catholic Church.
JohnnyMcRonny Sep 7, 5:45 p.m.
Just another reminder of the wealth enjoyed by one of the most destructive churches this world has had the misfortune to endure. I refer to the organization, not the lay people.
james27613 Sep 7, 5:39 p.m.
FYI as far as education, the Franciscan School at St. Francis of Assisi tuition is $6,600 per student!
My kids attend WCPSS.
anne53ozzy Sep 7, 5:36 p.m.
fergie...some go to Yale and others to UNC or other schools of equal value...Stop whining about it and make sure your kids are learning as they need to be and all will be well....
6869735 Sep 7, 5:32 p.m.
This is great news!
cheezchicken Sep 7, 5:28 p.m.
I am not Catholic but admire the history (of course not the Inquisition) and traditions. I also see the work that Catholic Charities does and further am drawn to the religion. I have vacillated for years about converting to Catholicism, although I've never been very religious - more spiritual. I am happy to see a stronger Catholic presence in the Southeast!
fergiedorchester Sep 7, 5:27 p.m.
"Do you know - the Catholic Church educates 2.6 million students everyday at the cost to that Church of 10 billion dollars, and a savings on the other hand to the American taxpayer of 18 billion dollars."
Yeah, only if you are wealthy enough to pay to belong to this exclusive group. I contribute every week, yet my children can't attend the Catholic school because we don't give enough "treasure". Our church offered a "back to school" mass that we attended, but then realized that it wasn't for all students returning to school, but only those returning to that particular school. We ended up leaving and went to another church. Funny thing is, the opening song was "All are Welcome" ...simply not true. Also, we don't even have a church because the diocese felt it was more important to build a school for the"rich" in Apex rather than a church for those of us with little means. At least we can enjoy their gym on the weekends for mass.
james27613 Sep 7, 5:27 p.m.
Wonder what the Vatican Bank will charge for the mortgage interest rate?
Expect more fund raising letters in the mail folks.
Buck Farack Sep 7, 5:27 p.m.
Buddy...no, I'm not bitter...I'm TIRED! I'm tired of people who think they know how better to spend MY money. I'm tired of people objecting to the car I drive or the house I live in or the school I send my kids to because I worked for it and didn't ask...no, I didn't DEMAND...that someone else pay for it!
If the Catholics want to build a church, what do you care? As long as the Catholics don't put a gun to your head and take your money like our government does, what do you care? If the Catholics ask you for money you can look them in the eye and just say "No". Try that with Bev or Barack and see what happens.
vraptor Sep 7, 5:19 p.m.
And why is this news??? I am catholic. The biggest crooks I have heard about are the staff at St Michael's church in Cary.
cheezchicken Sep 7, 5:17 p.m.
Wonderful! What a beautiful building!!
Buddy1 Sep 7, 5:09 p.m.
'Nice how another piece of prime real estate will be removed from the property tax rolls.'
This land is already owned by the church so no taxes are being paid anyway but thanks for playing.
corey3rd Sep 7, 5:02 p.m.
this proposed site is right next to WRAL studios
charlesboyer Sep 7, 5:00 p.m.
Nice how another piece of prime real estate will be removed from the property tax rolls. Remember that when the Raleigh City Council comes looking to make up an expected shortfall: that the wealthiest landowner in the US that is not the federal government pays less in property taxes than you do, even if you just have a car and rent an apartment.
OpenM1nd Sep 7, 4:59 p.m.
jrfergerson Sep 7, 4:57 p.m.
they could spend some of that money on the poor people without jobs and shelter instead of building a monstrosity of a building
charlesboyer Sep 7, 4:57 p.m.
"The "poor" in this country are among the most well-off people in the world."
[A Boston Medical Center] emergency room survey indicates that there was a notable increase in the percentage of families with children who reported they did not have enough food each month, from 18 percent in 2007 to 28 percent in 2010.
Read more: High Point Enterprise - KRISTINE KAISER Spare child nutrition programs from budget cuts
Hungry is hungry and geopolitical concerns don't make a meal.
Buddy1 Sep 7, 4:56 p.m.
Sez Me sez: "The "poor" in this country are among the most well-off people in the world."
I suspect you don't know the meaning of the word 'poor' but if we look up 'bitter' in the dictionary I bet we'll see a picture of you.
Phrostbite Sep 7, 4:51 p.m.
For some reason Pillars of the Earth comes to mind. LOL
Buck Farack Sep 7, 4:45 p.m.
Sumo...my comments aren't based on anybody's scripture.
How much of your money has gone to the "poor"? Tell us, will ya?
How many of the so-called "poor" have you raised up? Show me where these lucky masses exist!
The "poor" in this country are among the most well-off people in the world. They have places to live, cars, cell phones, TVs, and people like you who are more than willing to take everyone else's money to reward them for being "poor".
Better you should take your money and build a church where you can go beg whatever god you choose to forgive you for your sins.
At least then you'd have something to show for it.
veyor Sep 7, 4:42 p.m.
Myjudas - You bring a very good point. Again, it would be the preponderance of evidence that would satisfy this question, quite beyond the scope of this place for comment. By the way - Go Wolfpack!
Published: 2008-01-11 14:37:00
Updated: 2010-06-21 13:53:03