Senate finishes work on its budget plan

Posted May 23, 2013

— The state Senate finished debate on its $20.6 billion budget Thursday, voting 33-17 to send the measure to the state House.

Although the debate was much shorter than Wednesday, Democrats still decried a $770 million set-aside to pay for a tax reform package. 

"The No. 1 priority that you have for the state is to give a big tax cut to a few wealthy people," Sen. Martin Nesbitt, D-Buncombe, said Thursday. 

Although there are only a handful of fee changes in the budget bill itself, senators have outlined a tax proposal they say they want to pursue this year.

"What page is that on in the budget? In the budget we're debating, what page is that on?" Rules Committee Chairman Tom Apodaca asked Nesbitt.

Nesbitt pointed to the section of the budget that reserves the money.

"You identified it by name, so is it in this budget or not?" asked Apodaca, R-Henderson. 

Nesbitt again replied that the $770 million reserve would be needed for the tax plan that Sen. Phil Berger, R-Rockingham, outlined earlier this year.

"Maybe this is wrong. There's a video of Sen. Berger talking about it, and we listened to the press conference where Sen. (Bob) Rucho bragged about it, and there is a website," Nesbitt said. 

Republicans made equally pointed remarks on taxes, referring to prior Democrat-controlled legislatures that had raised the sales tax.

"Your temporary tax was going to be forever," Sen. Jerry Tillman, R-Randolph said, adding that predictions of massive cuts to public school classrooms were overblown.

Democrats, he said, had required teacher cuts in their budgets as well.

Battle with House expected

Both the House and Senate are controlled by Republicans, but House Republicans do not agree with all of the proposals put forward by their Senate colleagues.

"We look forward to a very strong and productive conference with the Senate," said Rep. Nelson Dollar, R-Wake, the senior chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.

NC General Assembly 4x3 Budget battle brewing between House, Senate

Rep. Mickey Michaux, D-Durham, was more frank than House GOP members, predicting "a big fight" between the House and Senate over the budget.

"House republicans really don't like some of the stuff that's in there," Michaux said of the Senate's spending plan. " I think you're going to see a bigger fight this year over something that's small but yet something that's important."

Some of the differences between the two chambers include education policy. The House has already passed legislation that would reform teacher tenure, but the Senate budget includes a provision to do away with tenure entirely, as well as incorporate other policy items.

"The House would prefer to have less policy that is not tied directly to appropriations," Dollar said.

Tax reform could be an even bigger problem. Each chamber has its own ideas about it – the Senate wants a more radical makeover than the House – and the costs have to be figured into the budget.

The House plan would cost the state $1.2 billion over five years, compared with the $770 million over two years in the Senate budget.

Rep. David Lewis, R-Harnett, said there's a lot of negotiating ahead.

"We just feel like our plan is a great first step," Lewis said.

The House and Gov. Pat McCrory also want $10 million to compensate victims of the state's former eugenics program, but Senate leaders didn't include any compensation money in their plan.

There's also speculation that political ambitions could complicate things. Both House Speaker Thom Tillis and Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger are said to be considering a U.S. Senate run next year, although neither will confirm it.

House budget-writers are expected to begin the formal process of drafting their budget next week. 

Then, the budgets drafted by the House, Senate and governor will be reconciled into a single compromise plan. The fiscal year ends on June 30, although lawmakers say they hope to have a final measure before the middle of June.


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  • Plenty Coups May 24, 2013

    "This is not a secret; even the Senate itself admits this."

    O course it isn't a secret. What's truly astonishing is how so many people fall for this or don't want to admit it and vote against their own best interests.

  • oldaltar May 24, 2013

    I have talked to many folks concerning the Senate Bill. All agree that this bill is cold-hearted and mean. This Senate wants to completely eliminate services for developmentally challenged children between the ages of 0-3 within certain areas of the state in an effort to saved state dollars. How then will these children receive the help that they need. Nevertheless this agency is one of the few ages in state gov't that generate revenue for the state by billing private insurance. That should tells us all something concerning these people. Judgment will be upon this state.

  • jason19 May 23, 2013

    "In what way? Exactly HOW is it 'only looking out for the rich'?"--Ripcord

    It gives tax cuts to the wealthy, while making the poor and middle class pay more. That's because they are expanding the sales tax (a highly regressive tax) and shrinking the income tax (a more progressive, equitable tax). Therefore, wealthy citizens will pay fewer dollars in tax while the poor and middle class will pay more. This is not a secret; even the Senate itself admits this.

  • miseem May 23, 2013

    "You identified it by name, so is it in this budget or not?" asked Apodaca, R-Henderson.

    "Maybe this is wrong. There's a video of Sen. Berger talking about it, and we listened to the press conference where Sen. (Bob) Rucho bragged about it, and there is a website," Nesbitt said.

    Apodaca's been pretty full of himself for the last few weeks. But may I cite (and slightly paraphrase)that old, esteemed philosopher, Groucho Marx. Who are you going to believe, your eyes (and ears) or me? Seems like the 770 million is in the budget, just carefully misnamed and hidden. And everyone in the NCGA knows it.

  • Ripcord May 23, 2013

    "This budget is only looking out for the rich." - chinkey985

    In what way? Exactly HOW is it "only looking out for the rich"?

  • chinkey985 May 23, 2013

    Republicans say they don't belive in hihger taxes, but look at all the new and higher taxes they are putting in place. This budget is only looking out for the rich. State employees have not had a desent raise in years.