Senate committee passes politically tricky abortion bill

Posted May 27, 2015

— Senate leaders have concocted a politically volatile bill that combines measures further restricting access to abortion – measures that sharply divide Republicans and Democrats at the General Assembly – with bills that make statutory rape laws stricter and protect victims of domestic violence.

The newly reconstituted House Bill 465 passed the Senate Judiciary II Committee on Wednesday afternoon.

As it emerged from the House, the bill would raise from 24 hours to 72 hours the waiting period between which a woman seeking an abortion must first consult with a doctor and the time the procedure is performed. The measure, as outlined in its official summary, also raises the level of qualifications for any doctor performing the procedure and requires that doctors share more information with the state Department of Health and Human Services after performing an abortion.

"I think people of good faith can disagree about the issue of abortion," said Sen. Jeff Jackson, D-Mecklenburg.

However, Jackson said, blending abortion measures with hard-to-oppose legislative language is aimed at putting Democrats in a tough political spot. If they vote against imposing more abortion restrictions, they will also be voting against laws to protect victims of domestic violence and restrict the movement of sex offenders.

"They want to be able to use that against us in campaign season," he said. "They're already laying the groundwork for the negative ads they're going to run against us."

He tried to take out two of the sections not related to abortion, but his amendment was rebuffed on a voice vote.

Senate Rules Committee Chairman Tom Apodaca, R-Henderson, monitored the meeting even though he is not on the committee. He denied Jackson's assertion that the bill was designed to put Democrats in a hard spot.

"That's just how the thing ended up being thrown together," Apodaca said.

Pressed as to the possible political implications, he said, "I don't think it's to campaign against them. We have enough to go against them on."

The following are among the non-abortion provisions in the bill that the Senate Judiciary Committee added to the bill Wednesday:

  • Requiring sex offenders who committed crimes in other states or under federal law to stay away from premises in North Carolina that are frequented by children.
  • Raising the penalties for committing an assault in the presence of a minor.
  • Clarifying the laws surrounding statutory rape.
  • Creating a program to make it easier for women to file domestic violence protection orders.

Abortion provisions debated

During the hour-long committee meeting, opponents of the bill pressed its backers for reasons behind the bill's abortion requirements.

Sen. Erica Smith-Ingram, D-Northampton, asked why the bill expanded the waiting period for an abortion from one day to three days.

"Are you assuming it takes us (women) an additional 48 hours to make a decision?" Smith-Ingram asked.

Sen. Joyce Krawiec, R-Forsyth, said that the state imposes waiting periods for any number of legal processes.

"We have a three-day right of rescission when I write a contract to sell a house," Krawiec said. "We have three-day right for refinancing your car."

Both sides pointed to members of the audience for backup.

Dr. Melinda Snyder, who has practiced at the state mental hospital in Butner, said she often sees female patients with a history of abortion.

"Three days is a totally reasonable time," Snyder said.

But other doctors who spoke during the committee meeting blasted the waiting period.

"Waiting three days doesn't change their mind; it only delays their care," said Dr. Amy Bryant, an ob/gyn at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine.

Bryant recounted the case of a woman who discovered she was pregnant as she was trying to leave an abusive boyfriend.

"Having to delay three days would have put her life in jeopardy if her abusive partner had found out," she said.

Others pushed back against provisions that would say only doctors who are "board certified or eligible to be board certified in obstetrics or gynecology" could perform the procedure.

"To say that only ob/gyns can perform this service is plain wrong. It's misinformation," said Dr. Kim Boggess, an ob/gyn.

After the meeting, Boggess said she was, "appalled that these decisions were being made with very little medical fact being considered."

Another provision of the bill would require that, for abortions performed after a fetus was 16 weeks, doctors would have to transmit images from the ultrasound to DHHS along with information about the methods used in determining the age of the fetus.

"My understanding from talking to people is we don't always know what the age of the unborn child is," said Krawiec when asked why that information should be transmitted.

Officials with DHHS say that collecting that and other information required by the bill would cost the state $8,000.

Other senators worried this would create a greater potential for a breach of privacy.

The bill cleared committee on a show of hands, although the chairman did not announce a final count. The measure now goes to the Senate floor. If approved there, it would have to return to the House for at least one more approval.


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  • Robert Richardson May 28, 2015
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    After the meeting, Boggess said she was, "appalled that these decisions were being made with very little medical fact being considered."

    Of course not, if they actually used medical facts they know these things wouldn't pass muster.

  • Freda Kerr May 28, 2015
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    This bill has nothing to do with "protecting women", it's all about punishing women for daring to have non procreative sex. Women are not stupid when it comes to knowing what happens when a pregnancy progresses. That is why those who don't want children choose abortion.

    Children should be born wanted, not an unwanted "oops, the birth control failed, or I was stupid enough to have unprotected sex". Many women don't want children period, or want to wait until they are mentally and financially able to take on the awesome job of raising a child.

    Until there is fully covered maternity benefits, paid maternity leave, fully funded social services that cover food, housing and child care, I will NEVER believe that pro-forced birthers genuinely care about children.

  • Mike Jones May 28, 2015
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    If you want to overpopulate and feel the need to kill things for sport. Then you are welcome.

  • David Martin May 28, 2015
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    It always amazes me how the 'don't tell me how to act and what to do' conservatives can over regulate anything if it seems to give them an advantage.

  • Chris Perry May 28, 2015
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    Spoken like a true diversity loving, peaceful liberal. Way to represent Mike.

  • Lorna Schuler May 28, 2015
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    And that is the Christian religious belief. There are many other, much older religions that would not necessarily agree with your assertion that the only way to redemption is through the Christian doctrine. And some of those religions aren't as filled with hate, hypocrisy and fanaticism.

  • Marie Vaughn May 28, 2015
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    Its not religion it's Christianity. There's a big difference. There's many religious beliefs but only one way to God and that is by believing and following Jesus Christ.
    And when God said "You shall not kill", he did not mean animals. Every human life is valuable regardless of circumstances. Why do you think so many women have emotional issues after having an abortion? It's a hard thing to live with to deliberately kill an innocent baby. We should be trusting in God to help us instead of trying to be God and take life into our own hands.
    So I am thankful that the Senate has passed a bill that might undo some of the harm of the original bill. And I thank God.

  • Aanritsen Deur May 28, 2015
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    How much of this agrees with Roe v. Wade?
    Any part of it that doesn't is subject to be challenged in Federal courts which will just waste more and more of the taxpayer's dollar which I have to say, I'm getting pretty sick of.

  • Dave Phillips May 27, 2015
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    NC Republicans, this is completely amateurish. If you were serious about your mission, you would mandate a 9-month waiting period between seeing a doctor and having an abortion.

  • Tammy Rush May 27, 2015
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    Sen. Joyce Krawiec, R-Forsyth, said that the state imposes waiting periods for any number of legal processes.

    "We have a three-day right of rescission when I write a contract to sell a house," Krawiec said. "We have three-day right for refinancing your car."
    Rights are not imposed. BIG difference.