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Raleigh pays thousands for last year's Winterfest

Posted December 8, 2010

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— The City of Raleigh is expected to pay out thousands more dollars for last year's Winterfest.

Charter Square LLC is asking to be reimbursed for the cost to hire attorneys to review the contract with the city to use the property where the skating rink was set up. That cost: nearly $9,000.

The city recommended paying out the request from the City Plaza construction budget.


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  • godnessgracious Dec 8, 2010

    Roland, wouldn't 9k would be enough for a multi-million dollar liability insurance policy for one weekend?

  • knockitoff Dec 8, 2010

    How about using the money and time more wisely likeDonate food and jackets to the needy and do some better good than argue over a stupid skating rink!

  • roland3 Dec 8, 2010

    I am Roland Gammon, managing partner of Charter Square. It is unfortunate the reporter didn't verify the facts with Charter Square before writing the inflamatory piece. To add to bbpack2's comments, Charter Square bought the property in 2008 from the City and paid fully appraised value, over $5M. The City and the Downtown Raleigh Alliance came to Charter Square in fall 2009 to inquire about installing an ice rink while development was suspended on the site. Charter Square was only too glad to allow free use of the space last year and this. The only cost was to ask that the City pay the costs of preparing legal documents to cover the operation of the rink (which has some liabiility risk we assume). This $9K is actually a reimbursement for the costs incurred for last year's Winterfest. There is no cost for this year.

  • bppack2 Dec 8, 2010

    the city has an easement to use Charter Square's property - year round, not just for the ice rink. The city is not leasing the property - Charter Square is letting the city use it for free, provided that the city pays Charter's legal fees in writing and negotiating the easement. the city is not leasing the ice rink from Charter Square - they are developers and are not in the ice rink business. Winterfest is an event run and paid for by the Downtown Raleigh Alliance, which manages the city plaza for the city.

  • Hater like Darth Vader Dec 8, 2010

    I need to get a job with their legal firm. I wonder how long the contract was for it to cost $9000.00 just to read it and make a recommendation!

  • rdmcswai Dec 8, 2010

    On another note, have any of you guys been to Winterfest? It's AWESOME. I mean, not $9000 to-hire-attorneys-awesome, but you should seriously go check it out, especially if you have kids! :]

  • freedomfromAmeriKa Dec 8, 2010

    Mr. Middle of the Road & Arthur In The Garden,

    1. In any normal business situation, the owner of the property pays for their own legal expenses.

    2. The Downtown Raleigh Alliance is a public-private partnership that funnels money to the 'downtown' area (less than 1/2 of 1% of the total city limits) at the expense of everyone else; why is your public manager a leader within this org.?

    3. All of the political spectrum is obviously corrupt if you get your news from anywhere other than cnn; the best way to engender real change is through educating the sheeple.

    4. How many traffic lights in S. Raleigh can you operate for $900K a year (the annual cost of running the "Raleigh" trolley while giving away free rides.

  • Mr. Middle of the Road Dec 8, 2010

    freedomfromAmerika, if you don't like the current situation here in Raleigh, why don't you run for mayor yourself? Don't just sit there and whine. Do someething about it.

  • Frank Downtown Dec 8, 2010

    There is nothing wrong with that. The city is leasing the property. Otherwise, it would just be sitting there empty.

    @freedomfrom AmeriKa: outside the beltline gets much more spending and budget consideration then inside. All those roads and stoplights don't pay for themselves!!

  • asdad Dec 8, 2010

    Charter Square is part of or in with Charter Square Developers. Craig Davis is in the group. They are over in Chapel Hill and I am sure that they have the money to cover this and more.