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Protesters get new camp near downtown Raleigh

Posted November 28, 2011

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— A property owner has allowed members of the so-called "Occupy Raleigh" movement to set up a base camp in a dirt lot near downtown.

Two weeks ago, the City Council voted unanimously to prohibit the group from camping behind City Hall. The council said allowing such a camp would reverse efforts to prevent people from sleeping on city property, and members also cited concerns about security, cost, noise and potential crime.

Mayor-elect Nancy McFarlane brokered a deal for the protesters to set up camp in a privately owned gravel parking lot on the corner of Lenoir and Blount streets, but some members said the site was too small and wasn't in a safe area.

The protesters are now being allowed to use a 0.057-acre lot near the corner of West and Edenton streets, where they have set up about a dozen tents.

Joseph Huberman, a member of the group, said the acquisition of a base camp came at a good time. Police have started enforcing rules that protesters cannot sit or set things on the sidewalk while picketing outside the State Capitol, he said, and the camp gives protesters a place to store their belongings.

Property owner Rob Baumgart said he offered to lease the site to the protesters because of his acquaintance with Huberman. He said the group needs to obtain the proper city permits to cook food and use a portable restroom on the site, and he can terminate their lease if they violate any city ordinances.

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  • Nancy Nov 29, 2011

    I wonder who's going to foot the $400 per month fee for use of the land? Anonymous donors.

  • westernwake1 Nov 29, 2011

    "For myself I would like to see an end to the 2 party system as well (both Dems and the GOP are equally corrupt)." - jgilchr

    If you think the two party system is corrupt; then you should see how corrupt a 3+ party system is. I spent years in Europe - the corruption out of our two party system is child's play compared to what 3+ party political systems do on the other side of the Atlantic.

    "For myself I would like" - jgilchr

    This still gets back to the OWS does not have a single common list of demands. The Civil Rights and Anti-Vietnam movements had a single common list. You could go up to any protestor and get the exact same answer about what their goals and demands were.

    Until OWS can implement a single common list of demands - it will get no mainstream traction and only be a fringe movement.

  • westernwake1 Nov 29, 2011

    "Perhaps you could tell us what sort of handout they're seeking?" - fayncmike

    The primary complaint of the colonists was "Taxation without representation". The colonists were seeking the right to vote. In the U.S. today every citizen has the right to vote in order to change their government.

    The colonists were not demanding that all private property be siezed and redistributed - like some of the OWS protestors are today.

  • fayncmike Nov 29, 2011

    ""The British didn't like the colonists protesting either."

    The Colonists were seeking freedom, not looking for a handout. Major difference.
    EyesintheSkies"

    Perhaps you could tell us what sort of handout they're seeking?

  • jgilchr Nov 29, 2011

    I will tell you some of what we want for those who are demand hungry. An end to money in politics as a whole, Overturning Citizens United, and re-enacting Glass Stegall. Some also want to end and/or audit the Fed. For myself I would like to see an end to the 2 party system as well (both Dems and the GOP are equally corrupt).

  • godnessgracious2 Nov 28, 2011

    Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill their needs and desires.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_association_%28communism_and_anarchism%29

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_ownership

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_power

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

  • WooHoo2You Nov 28, 2011

    "Has anyone in this group stated specifically what they would like to see happen. I don't mean the usual vague, "evil wealthy folks" retoric, I mean EXACTLY what steps do they think should be taken?" - rwest134

    People have been asking that same question on all the OWS threads. All we get back is *crickets*

    Most of these threads have people who claim to be OWS protestors on them including this one. Your question was asked earlier by multiple people including myself. All we have is * crickets*-westernwake1

    Please answer the otherside without saying "evil poor people."

  • WooHoo2You Nov 28, 2011

    Ah yes... the old "Marxism will work if it's done right!" argument. It's only killed about 100 million people so lets try it again.-ripcord

    Wow...sticking to facts are we? Please show how "Marxism" DIRECTLY killed 100 million people.

  • westernwake1 Nov 28, 2011

    "Has anyone in this group stated specifically what they would like to see happen. I don't mean the usual vague, "evil wealthy folks" retoric, I mean EXACTLY what steps do they think should be taken?" - rwest134

    People have been asking that same question on all the OWS threads. All we get back is *crickets*

    Most of these threads have people who claim to be OWS protestors on them including this one. Your question was asked earlier by multiple people including myself. All we have is * crickets *.

  • Ripcord Nov 28, 2011

    "These tyrannical madmen may have invoked Marx when they were campaigning but they threw most of it out the window to suppress all opposition."

    Ah yes... the old "Marxism will work if it's done right!" argument. It's only killed about 100 million people so lets try it again.

    "The workers have never been in control of the means of production. We would see a lot less mass killings if they were"

    And how should they control it? It's private property. Should they seize it by force?

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