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NC Senate overrides six vetoes in less than hour

Posted July 13, 2011

— Less than an hour after reconvening its session Wednesday, the state Senate had voted to override six vetoes issues last month by Gov. Beverly Perdue.

The legislature resumed its annual session at midday Wednesday after nearly a month away from Raleigh. Its primary goal is to redraw district lines for their own seats and for the U.S. House by July 28.

Senators squeezed in the override votes, knowing the Republican majority had enough votes to carry each with little debate.

The first came on legislation to limit certain damages for negligence victims in medical malpractice cases.

The bill would limit awards for malpractice victims to $500,000 for things such as pain, suffering and emotional distress. Perdue is concerned because the law sets a high standard to exempt victims of catastrophic injury or death from the limit.

Republicans pushing the legislation say the measure would curtail medical malpractice insurance premiums and make North Carolina an attractive place for doctors to relocate.

Other overrides quickly followed, including bills that would restrict environmental regulations, change state laws on unemployment benefits, move North Carolina toward offshore drilling for oil and natural gas and make technical adjustments to Medicaid regulations.

“We will not let the governor stand in the way of job creation and economic recovery,” Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger said in a statement. “Now is not the time to play games with bills that create new energy and medical jobs and get government off the private sector’s back.”

Perdue said in a statement that the Senate "made the wrong choices for North Carolina six times over." She said she hopes the House would make minor changes to some of the bills so that she could sign them.

The House has scheduled July 25 override votes on the six measures and on other bills that Perdue vetoed, including those requiring voters to present photo identification at the polls and implementing a 24-hour waiting period for women seeking abortions.

North Carolina State Legislature NC Senate overrides six vetoes in less than hour

“The Senate said that it would take up the Senate bills that have been vetoed and do its overrides early because, as you know, the Senate has the votes to do its overrides. It’s in the House where the votes are questionable,” said Rep. Deborah Ross, D-Wake County.

Voting rights groups held a morning rally opposing the voter ID bill.

"It does look like the Republicans are putting through a bunch of measures that will help them in a partisan way win the next election and the next election and the next election," said Bob Hall, executive director of political watchdog group Democracy North Carolina. "That's not the way to treat voters."

Meanwhile, groups supporting the overrides held their own rally at the same time, sporting shirts that had a red veto stamp over Perdue's picture.

"I think the governor needs to be held to account for vetoing bills that were destined to create jobs, get government out of the way (and) cut red tape and that passed with overwhelming bipartisan majorities," said Dallas Woodhouse or Americans for Prosperity.

The offshore drilling bill calls for Perdue to enter an agreement with other governors to lobby the federal government for energy exploration. Perdue said that provision is unconstitutional.

Environmentalists oppose the bill because they say it would discourage green energy alternatives.

Environmental groups also lobbied against the regulations bill, saying it would complicate rule-making and discourage regulations that preserve clean air and water.

The bill also would give special judges more authority to resolve disagreements between government departments and citizens. Perdue said the bill appeared unconstitutional because executive agencies and commissions could no longer reject or modify rulings of administrative law judges.

Several override votes in the Senate were bipartisan, but others fell along party lines, including the vote to re-approve a measure that would block teachers from paying dues to the North Carolina Association of Educators through payroll deductions.

The deductions represent hundreds of thousands of dollars to the association that Perdue counts among her top allies. She has called the measure an unfair attack on teachers.

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  • lindaf12003 Jul 19, 12:35 p.m.

    politics as usual. Both parties are more interested in getting their own agenda across than doing what is best. KICK THEM ALL OUT and put in people not affilliated with either party.

  • Plenty Coups Jul 14, 6:22 p.m.

    Studies of the so-called "climategate" myth that right wingers like to point out. Too bad there's no truth to it.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/some-climategate-conclusions/

    http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/d0cf6618525a9efb85257359003fb69d/56eb0d86757cb7568525776f0063d82f%21OpenDocument

    Another study:
    http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRUstatements/SAP

    And another:
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/post-carbon/2011/02/report_clears_us_scientists_in.html

    Sorry. But that's not "manipulating data". They're not "guessing". They are making scientific observations based on actual evidence and not resorting to politics that relies on ideology, agendas and opinion.

  • Plenty Coups Jul 14, 6:16 p.m.

    "It proves anyone can interpret data any way they want."

    You're taking quite a leap there. You accuse them of wrondoing but I have yet to see any evidence supporting your claim.

    "Unfortunately all the climate change people can do is theorize...politically theorize, then portray their "data" to suit their means."

    Wrong. They use the scientific method and publish their claims in scientific journals where it is open to criticism from the SCIENTIFIC community. Yet 97% of those who study climate believe in man made global warming. Or you could believe in right wing talk show hosts and propaganda sites that don't rely on science.

    "What about the scientists who admitted that they made up the data to force the line upward?"

    Yes, if your claim was true it would look bad for those scientists. But its not and it wouldn't change the evidence. 5 different studies validated the scientific research. I'll provide the links. Will you provide any evidence at all?

  • citizensoldier16 Jul 14, 5:16 p.m.

    Plenty Coups - "The "hockey stick" graph is not data. It's an interpretation of data."

    Exactly my point, thanks for proving it for me. It proves anyone can interpret data any way they want. And those who interpreted the "data" chose to portray it for political means without any regard to the fact that the earth runs in cycles. The only thing your "data" proves is that the earth in in the downward swing in terms of temperatures. Unfortunately all the climate change people can do is theorize...politically theorize, then portray their "data" to suit their means. The unfortunate truth is that you have no proof, only speculation backed by manipulation and false numbers. Independent studies confirmed it's validity? What about the scientists who admitted that they made up the data to force the line upward? What "Independent study" would blindly overlook that? The only fact is that the climate change cronies are guessing, and trying to steer policy based on that guess. Bad policy.

  • Plenty Coups Jul 14, 4:42 p.m.

    citizensoldier-"We have samples, yes. But the "data" you reference...is that from the good ol' Hockey Stick graph with all the fudged numbers and manipulated statistics? Yeah...I thought so."

    The "hockey stick" graph is not data. It's an interpretation of data. Independent studies have confirmed it's validity. You claim otherwise but I'd be interested in proof that doesn't involve right wing propaganda sites.

    Study confirming validity of hockey stick graph:
    http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/Wahl_ClimChange2007.pdf

    Borehole studies confirming dramatic rise in temps. over last 500 years:
    http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~peter/Resources/Seminar/readings/Huang_boreholeTemp_Nature%2700.pdf

  • Plenty Coups Jul 14, 4:38 p.m.

    haggis basher-"That not actually true. Firstly the ice core samples etc show warming and cooling cycles with Co2 trailing the warming, not leading it"

    I disagree based on what I've read. All that what you say means is that in the past CO2 didn't cause periodic global warming. Scientists today allow for various variables in making their predictions. There is a consensus that is peer reviewed.

    http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html
    http://www.skepticalscience.com/10-Indicators-of-a-Human-Fingerprint-on-Climate-Change.html

  • haggis basher Jul 14, 3:54 p.m.

    "So giving the voters what they want is a bad thing?"

    Sometimes yes. This is not a tyranny of the majority. Folks are elected to the right thing not the popular thing.

    "Conservatives put those Republicans in office to do exactly that. North Carolinians were overwhelmingly tired of the Liberals who have corrupted and bankrupted our great state for the past 100 years. The voters decided they had enough, and put the Libs out of a job...giving them a taste of what they have created here in NC."

    Nonsense, they not even have a majority of the electorate. And NC has done pretty well in the last 20 years apart from the loss of the mill jobs that went to Mexico etc and there is not much State elected officials could have done about that

  • haggis basher Jul 14, 3:45 p.m.

    "deadhead-"we do not have enough data one way or the other. Let's say the earth is 20,000 years old. How many years of climate data do we have?""

    Hundreds of thousands of years from ice cores.....which give the global warming folks a problem......if it has been much warmer in the past, and it has, and the ice caps didn't melt, which they didn't or you wouldn't have a record.....then why think they would melt now?

  • haggis basher Jul 14, 3:41 p.m.

    "Plenty Coups - We do have data in the form of ice core samples, tree rings, glacier lengths, pollen remains, ocean sediments, fossil remains etc.. Enough to convince the overwhelming majority of climate scientists that we do have man made global warming. The science is there and overwhelming."

    That not actually true. Firstly the ice core samples etc show warming and cooling cycles with Co2 trailing the warming, not leading it, secondly they show several periods of much higher temperatures than today which we clearly did not cause nor cure and lastly they link between todays warming and man made CO2 is in computer models only. Not nearly enough time has passed to conclusively show there is a causative link.
    and since world output will increase irregardless of what the US and the west does......

  • citizensoldier16 Jul 14, 1:57 p.m.

    Plenty Coups - We do have data in the form of ice core samples, tree rings, glacier lengths, pollen remains, ocean sediments, fossil remains etc.. Enough to convince the overwhelming majority of climate scientists that we do have man made global warming. The science is there and overwhelming.

    We have samples, yes. But the "data" you reference...is that from the good ol' Hockey Stick graph with all the fudged numbers and manipulated statistics? Yeah...I thought so.

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