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Bill allowing concealed guns in parks, restaurants sparks debate


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Pro-gun measures moving through legislature
Pro-gun measures moving through legislature

A bill that would allow people to carry concealed weapons in public parks and greenways across the state and in restaurants where is alcohol is served is drawing passionate arguments on both sides of the issue.

Supporters point to the Second Amendment, while opponents say they can't believe such a bill is being discussed.

The state House voted earlier this week in favor of House Bill 111, which is one of several proposed laws that would loosen gun restrictions. It now goes to the Senate.

Randy Mann took his two sons fishing at Lake Johnson Park in Raleigh Saturday. Under HB 111, people with a permit could bring concealed handguns to that park, but Mann says it doesn't bother him.

"As long as they had it concealed and it wasn't loaded," he said.

Park-goer Carl Nelson disagreed. 

"It's a family place. There's no need for it," he said. "I wouldn't think anyone would approve such a bill."

The same debate is circling in restaurants where alcohol is served. The bill forbids anyone from consuming alcohol if they have a concealed, permitted weapon in a restaurant.

Several people at Sammy's Tap and Grill in Raleigh said handguns and alcohol don't mix.

"I can't believe that's even coming up for consideration," said Sammy's patron Mike Derrico.

"That's scary. People get drunk, and they get crazy sometimes," said Rachael Heath.

Her husband, Rick, however, was on the opposite side of the debate.

"If someone gets a concealed weapon permit, I don't see anything wrong with being able to bring it in to an establishment like this," he said. 

Nelson thinks lawmakers are playing with fire in considering the bill. 

"I think it's calling for trouble, unnecessary trouble that no one needs," he said.

If the bill becomes law, it would take effect in December.

Other gun-related proposals being considered in the legislature include House Bill 227, which loosens restrictions on buying handguns in other states; House Bill 63, which allows employees to lock guns inside their cars at work; and House Bill 390, which would do away with the requirement for a local permit to purchase a pistol.

RELATED TOPICS: Second Amendment, Raleigh, West Raleigh

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Most people with a CCW (myself included) are good law abiding citizens. Do you really think that there are NOT people sitting in bars/restaurants drinking? This bill IS NOT permitting someone with a CCW to drink. There is still a zero tolerance for this. It merely allows my to protect myself and/or my family if someone has drank too much and is crossing the line of aggression. Why should I not be able to carry in a park. There are very remote areas of some parks. I am already permitted to carry in a National Park, but not local/state. What if my 4 year old son and I are fishing at Falls Lake and run across some meth head wanting to rob us? What if we come across a rabid racoon? What if we end up getting a poisonous snake bite and need the snake for identification purposes?

I hope this bill passes! There were a lot fewer stupid people walking the street when everyone carried guns in the old days! :)

My miami burger king story was to long google it if you would like the full story or check out more stories here at www.defensivecarry.com

In the state of Florida,Which i moved from you can have a weapon concealed but not in the bar area but in the resturant it self.I my self would love to carry my weapon in resturants and parks.Parks for one you have stray animals(Dogs)if they attack my 5yr old or 3yr old i would like to be armed to put that animal down before the attack even happend.Resturants if a armed man comes in and is willing to rob a resturant with familys in it they are willing to take a life as well i would rather be able to protect my family then lose one to a low life bad guy.People forget bad guys carry into resturants and parks now and it seems not to bother any one until they take the life of their loved one then they want heads to roll.Just saying i would like the chance to be the sheep dog and not the sheep i will not let a bad guy keep me or my family locked behind doors. I will not hide and let one of these bad guys take a life of a family member or a innocent person either im willing to save even the

Miami police released the names of those involved in the Burger King shootout Tuesday that ended with a dead armed robber and the seriously-wounded customer who shot him.

John Landers, 45, was the customer who walked up to the gun-wielding masked robber, 18-year-old Johnny Jean-Baptiste, when the restaurant's clerk was being robbed at 4 p.m. Tuesday.

According to police, Jean-Baptiste wore a ski mask when he walked into the Burger King at Northwest 54th Street and Biscayne Boulevard armed with a gun. It was a time, employees said, when it is usually crowded with schoolchildren and people getting out of work early. Jean-Baptiste then approached the counter, pointed his tiny semiautomatic Bryco .380 towards the restaurant's employees and demanded money.

That's when Landers, armed with a concealed weapons permit and his 9mm Glock 19, asked Jean-Baptiste to put the gun down, according to the police report.

Jean-Baptiste refused and began firing his gun and Landers shot back, police re

To those gun ownwership proponents. When you engage in your OK Corral shoot-outs, justified by your right to defend yourself, what happens when a stray, yours or the perps, hits the toddler across the street. It seems there are people in this country who believe we need to return to the days of the Wild West and still others, in the name of fiscal responsibility, who would let the weak and needy live in a world of social darwinism. I think both the rabidly macho gun toters as well as the Tea Party fanatics are both not an asset to this country. Too bad.

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