Pro-gun measures moving through legislature

Posted March 29, 2011

— The state House voted 77-41 Tuesday to allow people to carry concealed weapons in public parks and greenways across North Carolina and in restaurants where alcohol is served.

House Bill 111, which faces a final vote in the House on Wednesday, is one of at least eight proposals pending in the General Assembly would make it easier to buy, carry and, in some cases, fire a handgun in the state.

"I'd compare it to the wild, wild West," said Sen. Clark Jenkins, D-Edgecombe. "I think we're going the wrong way. We don't need to make it easier."

Other proposals include House Bill 227, which loosens restrictions on buying handguns in other states; House Bill 63, which allows employees to lock guns inside their cars at work; and House Bill 390, which would do away with the requirement for a local permit to purchase a pistol.

"I think we're behind the times on a lot of these issues," said Rep. Mark Hilton, R-Catawba, the primary sponsor of House Bill 390.

Hilton said a federal background check on gun purchases and a local permit are redundant.

"We're one of only a handful of states that still have a requirement like that because, with technology, it's not needed," he said.

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison disagrees.

"No question it's a safety issue. I want to know who's buying those pistols," said Harrison, a Republican.

The background check done by the Wake County Sheriff's Office is much more thorough than the one done at the federal level, he said.

"It's not that I want that authority, but I think it's good to know we're looking that closely at who we're going to give a pistol permit to," he said.

Pro-gun measures moving through legislature Pro-gun measures moving through legislature

Other bills would override local weapons restrictions. House Bill 111, for example, would trump city and county ordinances restricting handgun possession at parks, except at athletic parks and playgrounds, where local officials could still ban weapons.

Supporters of the various gun bills point to the Second Amendment.

"For the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," said Rep. Kelly Hastings, R-Gaston. "So, if it's the wild, wild West, it's the wild, wild West backed up by the U.S. Constitution."

Many Democratic lawmakers say the proposals reflect misguided priorities in the Republican-led legislature.

"They ran on jobs, restoring the economy (and) restoring sanity to government," said Sen. Linda Garrou, D-Forsyth. "Now, there's a lot of things that I would question how sane they are."


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  • jimlong Apr 8, 2011

    According to the police, the reason we have a 911 number to call is so the police will know where to look for the corpses.

  • jimlong Apr 8, 2011

    blackdog - If I read your post correctly, you have it all wrong. You wrote "Jared Laughner and Seung-Ho Cho, are the first to come to mind." Neither of these "people" had a concealed carry permit.

    But even if they did, what would be the point? That licensed drivers kill 40,000 people in the uS every year, so we can reduce auto-related deaths by not issuing driver's licenses?

  • zProt Mar 31, 2011

    -Esse quam vider- "The point of this is that most people applying for and receiving these permits are responsible enough to go through the proper legal channels to obtain the permit, or, at the very least, are not afraid of what a background check might turn up. I'm fairly certain that there are applicants who are denied permits based on their backgrounds, which would infer that the permitting process works as it should."

    Yes, works as it should - to make sure that those issued hand guns are of the "mainstream", and that they won't likely insurrect against their own government, which is how many gun advocates justify their beliefs. Where's the logic?

    And to the ones justifying it by saying frightful things like "If I were being raped..." or "If I were being robbed..." Now, really, if you're being raped or robbed what criminal is going to let you get up and get your silly handgun? Do you really want to breed smarter criminals? Where's YOUR logic?

  • rdinatal Mar 30, 2011

    My research showed that both Jared Laughner and Seung-Ho Cho did not have concealed carry permits. If you have evidence please post or do not say what you can't support with FACTS.

    We ARE talking about NC and legally concealed permit holders (NC CHP). Not some made up talking point.

    FACTS :
    Criminals do not obey laws.
    Law abiding people obey the law.
    A "No Guns Allowed" sign will not deter a criminal.
    Most (not all) mass murders occur in gun free zones.
    NC CHP holders can not drink alcohol while carrying

  • blackdog Mar 30, 2011

    "How many people that killed somone with a gun had a permit to cary it .I dont know of anyone .people that gets a perment are not going out looking for someone to kill"

    Jared Laughner and Seung-Ho Cho, are the first to come to mind.

  • mrbigt032j Mar 30, 2011

    How many people that killed somone with a gun had a permit to cary it .I dont know of anyone .people that gets a perment are not going out looking for someone to kill

  • rdinatal Mar 30, 2011

    GoGreen, since you asked about a gun owner legally carrying stopping mass murder...

    Media Ignore Fact That Gun Owners Stopped School Shooter
    Phil Brennan, NewsMax.com
    Saturday, Jan. 26, 2002

    Two of the three Virginia law students who overpowered a gunman in a fatal school shooting were armed and used their weapons to disarm the shooter.

    Full article : http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/1/25/153427.shtml

    There you go, it wasn't that difficult to find one, I'm sure there's others. As for the percentage, one is enough. After all if it saves just one life...

  • rbruce2 Mar 30, 2011

    Started reading the comments and had to stop . The number of people posting on here that know nothing about the Bill is amazing. Listen up dummies! You cannot and willnot be able to drink and carry a concealed handgun at any time Period! The Bill said nothing about drinking in BARS it is to allow the conceal carry of a handgun in a RESTAURANT (Ruby Tuesday / Chili's/ Joe's Crab Shack /etc period . If a CCH permit holder drinks while carrying it is a felony . I have not gone through the training required to obtain my CCH permit to p*ss it away by having a drink with my meal.

  • rdinatal Mar 30, 2011

    GoGreen, FUD? That's all the article was about. As for trustworthy, I didn't say anything but question your source. The CDC has only published firearms related deaths up to 2007. Can you find 2010 stats? I have looked, nothing. Maybe I'm missing it so here's where you can show me.

    You mentioned and article that mentioned a number that mentioned the CDC keeps those statistics. You sort of held it until the last paragraph. Then you call names and ask a question that you want others to look up and cite?

    Common sense restrictions? I've see them and they never stop.

  • GoGreen Mar 30, 2011

    Keppin_it_real, you prove my point. There are many society has deemed unfit to carry firearms, ex-felons, persons that are emotional unstable, etc. Yet, you NEVER see a gun nut proactively advocating restrictions for for these groups. The pro-gun lobby has ZERO credibility. Ever argument ever put forward is based on hyperbole and lies, never facts.

    Again, when the right advocates common sense restrictions on gun ownership, it will be time to listen. Until then, Veto. I don't care for Bev as our Governor, but I am sure glad she is there while NC has its 2 year flirt with the Devil.