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Not dead, but still voting

Posted September 17, 2012

— Carolyn Perry remembers voting in her first election. It was 1967 in Ohio, a municipal election, and she was 21 years old.

"The people at the polls introduced me and said, 'This is Carolyn and this is her first time to vote,'" recalled the retired special education teacher. 

Perry, who has been registered to vote in North Carolina since at least 1975, according to election records, was dismayed to receive a letter this month from the Wake County Board of Elections suggesting she may no longer be qualified to vote because she might be dead. 

"My initial reaction? I was mad as hell," Perry said Monday morning.

Her name was one of nearly 30,000 across the state that volunteers with the Voter Integrity Project identified two weeks ago as potentially being dead but still registered to vote. The Voter Integrity Project is a North Carolina offshoot of True the Vote, a national movement that purports to combat election fraud by challenging the voter registration of those they believe should not be on voter lists.

"We're not really interested in partisan politics," said Jay DeLancy, a retired Air Force officer and director of Voter Integrity Project. "As an organization, we try to eliminate those kinds of biases in our research."

However, the subject of voter fraud is inextricably linked to the current political conversation. Republicans in many states, including North Carolina, have led efforts to pass laws that would require people to present picture identification when they go to the polls. That effort failed in North Carolina, but DeLancy recently appeared on a Fox News Channel show calling such laws "common sense". Democrats have generally pushed back against such laws, saying they would disproportionately affect elderly and minority voters.

Since DeLancy's group gave those names of potentially dead voters to the State Board of Elections, state and county elections officials have been investigating the list. Some names were already removed through regular list maintenance procedures, officials say. Others required further investigation. In Wake County, letters went to the families of 148 possibly deceased voters.

So far, 42 have sounded off that they're still among the living. 

Despite DeLancy's assurances of being nonpartisan, Perry suspects she and others like her were targeted because of her demographic characteristics. 

"I'm a senior, and I'm an African-American," she said. "And I'm not registered as the same party they are most likely." Perry is a registered Democrat. 

DeLancy denies any partisan targeting. He says his group will soon publish all of the names of people on the voter rolls that they suspect are dead so that the general public can help with their research. And, he said, further research is likely to show that there are some counties where dead people have been recorded as having voted.

Election officials say they've yet to run across anything untoward.

"I've had some people call who have been enraged," said Gary Sims, deputy director of the Wake County Board of Elections. Others, he says, have laughed off the errant letters. That range of reactions has been seen in other states where either official actions or similar nonprofit-driven efforts have sought to purge dead voters. 

DeLancy's group has sent Wake County two batches of potentially dead voters, Sims said. In one batch, three voters had cast ballots in elections where they died before Election Day – quite legally. Every year, a handful of voters cast ballots through the mail or during in-person early voting and then die before the election is over. 

Emails from the State Board of Election detailed other quirks with DeLancy's data. In one Catawba County case, a clerical error conflated a son and a father with the same name. 

One problem DeLancy's group faces is that dates of birth reported to boards of elections are not public records. State and local elections boards may provide only somebody's age. That makes a precise, definitive match impossible in many cases. But even exact birthdays may not help in all situations. 

Sims said there are examples in Wake County of voters who share the same names and same dates of birth but who are entirely different people.

Election officials say their experiences with DeLancy's group have not been entirely bad. For example, to handle the deluge of cross-checking necessary, Wake County obtained software from the Register of Deeds office that allows for instant check of Wake County death records, Sims said. This can now supplement the once-per-month purge the office already undertook. 

Gary Bartlett, director of the State Board of Elections, said state officials discovered that the Department of Health and Human Services wasn't reporting some deaths that occurred out of state to elections officials. Those voters are now being investigated, he said.

But Bartlett adds that neither the state nor any of the county boards have yet discovered someone who voted when they should not have as a result of the Voter Integrity Project's submission. Bartlett says he doesn't rule out the possibility it could happen, but he points out that election officials have access to Social Security numbers, birthdays and drivers license numbers that citizen groups cannot legally get. All of those pieces of information have been used to differentiate between those who are really dead and those who are expected to show up at the polls this November, he said. 

"The takeaway so far is that our lists are pretty good," Bartlett said.

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  • JustOneGodLessThanU Sep 21, 12:17 p.m.

    Let's create new, Big Government laws that require each citizen to go to a Government Office, sit in a Government chair, in front of a Government Official and force them to obtain a Government-Issued ID card...just so they can continue to excercise their Constitutional right to vote...and even though it solves a non-existent problem.

    Then, let's call ourselves the "less government" party.

    Yeah, that's the ticket.

  • elirabett2003 Sep 21, 9:17 a.m.

    These folks are costing state and local governments a boatload of money chasing down their errors. Perhaps anyone who challenges a registration should pay a refundable fee, say $10 per name, which they get back if the challenge is correct (maybe even $11) and which the registrar gets to keep and use to improve elections (more polling places, pay for voter ID cards) if the name is wrong.

    It might concentrate their minds a bit.

  • dumbhick Sep 18, 4:19 p.m.

    Is it more important to assure that no illegitimate vote is cast even if it results in one or more citizens being denied the vote, or is it more important to assure that every citizen who cares to vote has the opportunity to do so, even if it results in one or more illegitimate votes?

    It's the same as the old argument on the death penalty. It is more important to assure that a criminal is punished for what he does, even if a few innocent folks are executed in the process, or is it more important to to assure that no innocent is unjustly punished, even at the risk that a guilty criminal might evade "justice".

    The same people line up on their respective sides of the arguments.

  • jeffjohnson123 Sep 18, 3:24 p.m.

    rdc42179.. the deceased receive mail often, even if notifications have been sent. Usually these are from solicitors but occassionaly from our Government. It took the local tax office 3 years to finally realize my mother had passed away.
    Voter integrity can ill afford this level of slopiness.

  • jeffjohnson123 Sep 18, 3:21 p.m.

    It is incumbant on our government to ensure the integrity of our election process. Although a plan is in place to purge the rolls of the deceased, it is not without flaws.
    A Voter ID program, although causing additional effort on the part of some, is a sound plan for ensuring votes cast to elect future leaders is done by US Citizens with a legal right to vote. This would reduce the number of votes cast by deceased and by individuals or groups that do not have the right to elect our officials. They still, unfortunately, have avenues to influence our elected officials. Banning PACs would futher solidity the integrity of the voting process.
    If only all votes cast were done logically and without emotion.
    Signed...Spock. *G*

  • rdc42179 Sep 18, 2:47 p.m.

    That's funny, they thought she might be dead so they mailed her a letter

  • storchheim Sep 18, 2:34 p.m.

    WooHoo, the nonprofit you're defending so blindly GOT THE DATA FROM THE STATE.

    You either understand and refuse to admit that you've been shown to be wrong, or you don't understand in the first place. Either way, I'm done.

  • WooHoo2You Sep 18, 1:56 p.m.

    "Did you even read the story? The data was collected by the Voter Integrity Project and they are a non-profit NOT the "gubmint"" - woohoo

    "The rolls of registered voters are updated every month when the state Department of Health and Human Services gives a list of all death certificates received that month to the state Board of Elections." - story

    Did you?-storchheim

    Yes but the story and the numbers you quoted were from research by a non-profit NOT the Board of Elections.

  • storchheim Sep 18, 1:38 p.m.

    "Did you even read the story? The data was collected by the Voter Integrity Project and they are a non-profit NOT the "gubmint"" - woohoo

    "The rolls of registered voters are updated every month when the state Department of Health and Human Services gives a list of all death certificates received that month to the state Board of Elections." - story

    Did you?

  • storchheim Sep 18, 1:16 p.m.

    "Anyone in this country who lives their entire life without any sort of legally recognized ID at all is "disenfranchising" themselves. No one is stopping them from taking all of 10 minutes to get a legally recognized ID. No one."

    +100

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