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Published: 2010-05-21 18:15:00
Updated: 2010-05-21 19:28:03

Cary man plans suit over timing of yellow lights


Red light, traffic light, traffic signal
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A Cary man claims that the formula used to set the length of yellow lights in town is flawed, which he says compromises safety and leads to tickets being issued unfairly at intersections with red-light cameras.

Brian Ceccarelli said he received a citation in the mail last year when a red-light camera caught him running a red light at Cary Towne Boulevard and Convention Drive. He said the incident frustrated him so much that he is crafting a potential class action lawsuit challenging the length of yellow lights.

"The shorter it is geometrically increases the number of people running the red light," Ceccarelli said.

The timing of the caution light is supposed to be based on the speed limit, the size of the intersection and a safe distance to stop.

Ceccarelli said that state Department of Transportation equations show the yellow light at Cary Towne Boulevard and Convention Drive should last 4.5 seconds, but he estimated it lasted only four seconds when he was ticketed.

"The half-second makes a big difference in the number of people that run a red light," he said. "It's a safety issue to everybody. By cutting short the yellow light, the town of Cary risks everybody's lives."

Cary traffic engineers and a physics professor at North Carolina State University dispute Ceccarelli's calculations.

Town officials said Cary's 17 red-light cameras are designed to prevent accidents. All yellow lights are timed to fit DOT safe-stopping standards, they said.

The red-light cameras in Cary generate about $100,000 in revenue from citations annually.

Ceccarelli said he believes the long-held yellow light timing calculations used across the country are wrong, and he said he hopes his lawsuit will bring the issue of traffic lights, math and safety to a head.

"They're all short anywhere from two to four seconds," he said. "They are not safe according to Newton's laws of motion."


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"If cars never ever had to stop, would yellow lights exist?"

Funny thing is that's a fantastic illustration of why this is so confusing to you. The light changing from green to yellow and the amount of time the yellow stays lit serve completely different purposes.

Joe Schmoe, lights do not usually present a problem for me, but I can't say that I've never had a problem. I certainly have.

What concerns me are those occasional times where it's hard to come to a stop. It happens to me every once in a while. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of people who also have the occasional problem. Also consider the fact that different vehicles require longer stopping distances, the fact that some drivers are not as fast to respond to a light change as another person, etc. I can certainly see why there are accidents at intersections.

I can't speak to whether the math is correct or not, but what it appears is that the math that is used assumes optimal, perfect driver performance. That's nonsense, since if everyone was an excellent driver all the time, there would never be accidents.

So, at the very last, there ought to be some margin for error built into the formula.

Subdivisions: Think about this:

If cars never ever had to stop, would yellow lights exist?

Now revisit your premise.

The safe stopping distance is _NOT_ based on the yellow interval, it's based on the speed limit and a comfy rate of deceleration. The grade of the approach might be a factor as well. Either way, there is no 'time' variable. Yes, you can figure out the time it will take a vehicle to stop over that distance, but that has no bearing on the duration of the yellow because that's NOT the purpose of the yellow interval.

Alright, don't know how else to try and explain without getting really repetitive. Chances are good most of the Traffic profs at State have seen your website and would be happy to talk to you. You should consider it, they would obviously be much better at explaining this than I am.

ceccareb - Your premise is still wrong. The yellow time doesn't apply to stopping vehicles.

The the ONLY purpose of the duration of the yellow interval is to protect drivers who are inside the min safe stopping distance when the light turns yellow, to give them a safe and legal option. Those drivers are NOT expected to stop, they are expected to continue thru the intersection. At the speed limit. No deceleration. No averaging speed over the stopping distance.

The duration of the yellow interval is meaningless to a stopping vehicle because *they are going to stop*. A stopping vehicle will continue to slow down regardless of the duration of the yellow, and will stop before entering the intersection.

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