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NCSU students want to pack heat on campus

Posted February 10, 2009

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— Some North Carolina State University students are wearing empty gun holsters on campus this week to protest a state law prohibiting them from carrying concealed weapons on campus.

"Everyone should be given a right to defend themselves no matter where they are," said Daryl Johnson, a member of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a national group that gained attention in the wake of the massacre of 32 students on the Virginia Tech campus in April 2007.

"We are just trying to show that we are law-abiding citizens. We carry off campus, or we support carrying off campus," Johnson said.

Nearly 128,000 concealed carry permits have been issued in North Carolina since 1995, including 8,300 in Wake County, according to the State Bureau of Investigation.

About 20 members of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus are taking part in the empty holster protest this week, he said. Similar protests are expected on other college campuses in North and South Carolina and Virginia, he said.

Chief Tom Younce of the N.C. State campus police said he disagrees with the effort to pack heat on campus, but he said his officers won't interfere with the protest.

"We're a very close-knit organization, the university is. You've got about 8,000 to 9,000 students living close on campus – in dorm rooms – (and) I don't think it's a good idea (to allow concealed weapons)," Younce said.

Any changes to the rules would have to come from state lawmakers.

"I believe that the more people you see with a weapon, the more acceptable it's going to be. It's not going to have that stigma that, 'Oh my gosh, it's bad,'" Johnson said.

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  • Caveman93 Feb 12, 2009

    "I don't think we need several thousand students all carrying concealed weapons on school grounds. they want to turn the colleges into the OK coral I guess".
    ladyblue-THE PHOENIX

    Okay, then let's compromise! All of you who think that the students shouldn't have them...fine. How about the staff? They're adults...right????

  • ladyblue Feb 11, 2009

    I don't think we need several thousand students all carrying concealed weapons on school grounds. they want to turn the colleges into the OK coral I guess.

  • james27613 Feb 11, 2009

    when I worked in NY City in the 1980s,
    very common to see the grip of a .357
    sticking up from the waistband of the
    big guy driving one of the limos parked
    in front of that Italian Restaurant.

    I bet he did not need any ccw either !

  • Smorgas_Of_Borg Feb 11, 2009

    This could make the NCSU-UNC games *really* interesting

  • oldfirehorse Feb 11, 2009

    I understand the point you're trying to make there James, but, I don't know that it's fair to say she lost her parents because she did or didn't do something. She lost her parents because that maniac shot them. No one will ever know if a shootout between them would have made a positive difference. There are, of course, thousands of incidents annually that the documented outcome does in fact show that armed defense is effective. I feel very sorry for her that she will be wondering if she could have made a difference. Kudos to her for speaking out!

  • james27613 Feb 11, 2009

    Remember the Luby Cafeteria Gunman in Kileen, TX ?

    This woman lost both her parents because she followed the law
    and left the firearm in her car instead of in her purse.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BM3GSME5gg

  • james27613 Feb 11, 2009

    Armed students stop Gunman on VA Campus
    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3117

    Here are the stories that are not front page news,
    law abiding citizens using firearms in responsible manner

    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Information/XcInfoBase.asp?CatID=43

  • gcpowell Feb 11, 2009

    My view on the empty holsters is similar to was has already been said. It's basically just showing people on campus that their friends, colleagues, and people they have discussions with daily in class are these gun owners that we hear about on the news. They're trying to educate those who do not know the laws, and although I don't think they've stated this...desensitize people who are likely to freak out when they see a firearm on someone's hip. I personally don't have my CCW permit, but instead choose to carry openly. In NC, you can open carry in most places legally. Some of you would be surprised about how few people actually notice and the small percentage of those who even look concerned. It's a good way to get out and inform others.

  • oldfirehorse Feb 11, 2009

    "I believe that the more people you see with a weapon, the more acceptable it's going to be. It's not going to have that stigma that, 'Oh my gosh, it's bad,'" Johnson said. ---- Wrong...what part of "concealed" does Mr. Johnson not understand. I can see why there is a lot of conflicting opinions in here with that kind of logic being reported. It's not even two sides of the same coin. The CCP does NOT allow an individual to "carry" a handgun in plain view; in fact, there is a statute that prohibits carrying a weapon "to the terror of the public". It's simply ludicrous to think that if more people see you carrying a gun that they will become more comfortable with it. Also, a primary reason for the handgun to be concealed is to provide someone who is LIFE THREATENED with the element of surprise. Again, I think it's a valid question to ask regarding the restriction, but, I also think it's a dumb way to put it across.

  • james27613 Feb 11, 2009

    Then the criminal will have the upper hand on you.
    By CCW, you have the element of surprise.

    With open carry, the bad guy(s) may just go ahead and
    take you out before you can react to the threat.

    CCW is also good idea, it keeps the firearm hidden from
    public view, otherwise some public may not want to see me
    with my firearm.

    ............................................................
    ..
    I don't see why people would want to carry concealed weapons anyway. I want everyone to know I have a gun.

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