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Ask Anything: 10 questions with Wake school board member Eleanor Goettee

Posted August 26, 2008
Updated September 17, 2008


So much money is spent on education but very little of that goes toward teacher pay. Do you think our teachers are paid enough? What can be done to increase their pay? – Kelly Walton, Cary

In general, I do not think teachers are paid enough. I would like to see the entire salary schedule adjusted upward so that it better compares with that of other professions. In addition, I believe it is time for salary differentiation. Many school districts around the state and nation currently offer financial incentives for hard to staff areas like math, science, special programs, and English as a Second Language. And, many school districts, including Guilford and Charlotte/Mecklenburg, are incorporating a pay for performance component in high needs schools. I support both of these initiatives and would like to see Wake County Public School System move in this direction. It is time to recognize and reward those teachers who are helping students make significant academic gain.


With economic hard times upon us, why does WCPSS insist on spending more on fuel costs to bus children to schools farther away from their homes to try and manage free/reduced lunch numbers? If Wake county has to supplement free/reduced lunches, they are all still in the same county. What does it matter that they are all in the same school or not? WCPSS is basically discriminating (reverse) against families who can afford lunch. – Tina Blackman, Garner

It matters greatly as to how the student population of a school is configured ... particularly as it relates to percentage of free and reduced lunch students. Research overwhelmingly shows that when a school has over 50 percent of students receiving F&R lunch, the academic achievement of all its students suffer. In addition, it is extremely difficult to recruit or retain high quality teachers for these schools and in too many cases, we find that highly challenged schools have less experienced staff and higher teacher turnover rates. All students prosper when there is a heterogeneous student population as it relates to socioeconomics. It is important to note that the Wake County Board of Education members overwhelmingly support the current practice of ensuring healthy schools for all. This commitment includes implementation of a system of student assignment that is based on a combination of assignment, magnet programs, and calendar options.


What, if anything, is the school board doing to insure that the Wake County Public School System is operating at peak economic efficiency? It seems it would make sense to have outside financial and efficiency audits that would insure no tax money is being wasted or misdirected and not getting to where it matters: to the kids' educations. – Charles Boyer, Raleigh

The WCPSS conducts external and internal reviews on an annual basis. Each fall, at the conclusion of the fiscal year, the external audit is performed on our financial data and the results are reported to the Board of Education through the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. This audit includes an extensive review of revenues and expenditures in all funding sources. The report, any findings, and management response are presented to the Independent Audit Committee prior to delivery to the Board of Education.

The Independent Audit Committee was established more than two years ago to provide oversight in the external auditing process. While required in publicly traded companies, very few governmental agencies have implemented this additional layer of financial accountability. We have gone the extra mile to ensure transparency to the public.

Over the past 10 years, additional reviews and audits have been performed on WCPSS. MGT conducted a performance audit to determine the efficiency of the school system. The Wake County Commissioners and Wake County Board of Education requested a review/audit of operations and facilities by a Citizen Advisory Committee. The Board of Education initiated a financial fraud audit by Summerford Accountancy. Each audit was presented to the public to further demonstrate our transparency in financial management.


Why aren't there any year round high schools? There are enough families fighting to keep their children in year round middle school, but there are no year round High schools in this area. – A. Elsberry, Wake Forest

Good question – actually, there are virtually no year round high schools in the U.S. We in the WCPSS studied/explored the possibility of a year round high school but determined that its cost would be prohibitively high. We would need to offer a full complement of courses on each track thus the huge expense of hiring more teachers. In addition, participation in extracurricular activities in high school ,i.e; athletics, band, etc., would require students to be involved during track outs.

I would like to be able to offer the option of a year round high school for families who really need or like that option. Unfortunately that is not to be the case – at least in the foreseeable future.


With all the growth that is and will happen in Wake County, why does the school board come across combative with the public? It appears that trying to work with the public about year round, redistricting, busing, etc. would be much more beneficial than the constant bickering that goes on. – David Daughton, Raleigh

I’m sorry that oftentimes it is perceived that the Board of Education and the public are in conflict, however I truly believe that is not the case. We meet regularly with the elected officials of the 12 municipalities in Wake County, and hold monthly meetings with the County Commissioners to discuss issues and solutions to the problems associated with growth throughout the county.

This year, we are releasing our first multi-year assignment plan to provide more predictability for families in the assignment of their children. In addition to numerous public hearings every year, each of us on the Board has advisory committees and works with neighborhood and civic groups from around the county to ensure that many voices are being heard as we wrestle with some very complex and difficult decisions.


(Why not) build all schools exactly alike, thus saving architect fees, plus allowing contractors to know exactly how much wiring, brick, concrete, etc. is needed and saving money? – Frank Lewis, Holly Springs

One of the things our Board and school staff does to help improve efficiency is award contracts to design consultants for reuse of existing school prototypes. This is a regular practice for WCPSS. In fact, all of the new schools in the last building program, Plan 2004, are prototype designs and 15 of the 17 new schools in our current building program, CIP 2006, are prototypes.

The big potential for savings is time. Generally, reusing designs saves between three and six months in planning and design time because decisions of what to build are made quicker, with less review, revisions and delays. The shorter time means we are able to get projects out to bid sooner and prices are less likely to increase due to inflation. In turn, many of our contractors are familiar with some of our prototypes which has a positive impact on school construction.

Another advantage to using a prototype is that the design is generic enough to accommodate the typical educational programs, but can be adapted to the actual school site. Since no two locations are exactly alike, sometimes modifications are necessary. Even with modifications, reusing a prototype can save between $300,000 and $500,000.


In your campaign poster stored on the Internet, a significant promise you made was that you would "eliminate reassignment." Can you point to any specific significant votes you cast that significantly eliminated reassignment and its policies? – Mike H., Cary

First let me state that I made absolutely no “promises” in any campaign literature. Secondly, what I did say, among other things, is that I support:

1) Consistent feeder patterns, K-12
2) Eliminate annual student assignment to minimize the impact on children and neighborhoods
3) Long range building program

My goals regarding student assignment during the campaign and now haven’t changed and I believe that the Board of Education is doing a better job each year in addressing them. We are in the process of developing a three year student assignment plan that will incorporate reasonable feeder patterns and will be tied to a multi-year building plan.


The Wake County Education Board Policy 7180.4 states that the fees for parking in the lot are to cover just security. On WRAL.com, the board is quoted as saying that the increased fees are to cover the increase in gas to cover school buses. Please explain how this increase in parking fees adheres to the WCPSS policy. – Alyssa Gillikin, Apex

Historically, the fees from student parking have been used to offset the costs of increased security. This year, however, the Board of Education was forced to cut more than $36 million from our operating budget and to add an additional source of revenue, we voted to increase student parking fees by $50 per parking pass. I want to point out that this is the first increase in these fees since the 2000-2001 school year. Last year, we collected $767,592 in high school parking fees and we spent more than $720,000 on security for these high schools during the same period.


Can you help me understand how more money helps prevent gangs in schools? Can you also please help me understand why there can never seem to be budget reviews/cuts to shift monies in to needed areas instead of tax increases? Also, I would really appreciate your help in understanding the thought process behind not providing to the taxpayers a line item budget for the school system. Thank you so much. – Lisa Elliott, Raleigh

There are actually three questions here so let me take them separately. First, we requested additional funding this year to expand our training and awareness programs associated with gang prevention for our school based employees. Gangs are a complex problem affecting everyone in the community including the schools. If our staff is better trained to identify and respond to gang activity as they see it, we create safer schools for everyone. Knowing what to look for and how to act appropriately are critical elements of our strategy.

Your second question is about funding. The largest factors driving our funding requests in recent years have been inflation, legislated mandates, and growth. Even though growth has slowed, we will still be increasing our enrollment by between 4,000 and 5,000 students annually.

Finally, you asked about line item budgets. Over the past several years we have worked very hard to open to the public our budgeting and funding processes. As in past years our “Plan for Student Success” includes business cases for each request for an increase from our staff; we have specific page numbers identified with each budget item where the public can go for an explanation of whatever expense they might be interested in. Our annual budget contains a vast amount of information about not only our projected expenses, but also our sources of income at the federal, state, and local levels. I encourage you to visit our Web site for more information.


Recent studies by external reviews document the fact that academically gifted students are shortchanged by the programs in place in Wake County . Personal experience in my family substantiates this finding. Differentiated learning plans for gifted students are irrelevant in classrooms where teachers are overwhelmed just trying to bring all students up to a passing level. The only outcome for current practices and policies is achieving a mediocre mean at expense of the top tier learners. The entirely foreseeable outcome of this will be reduced economic competitiveness for our region. What active steps can and will the school board take to address this issue? – Deborah Watts, Holly Springs

It would be helpful to know which external reviews are referenced here. The recent state auditor’s report did not indicate WCPSS was under-delivering for our AG students. The Curriculum Management Audit did not identify particular weaknesses in the AG program other than a need for additional funding to increase services. As a matter of fact, the state caps AG funding at 4 percent when 16 percent of our students qualify for AG services. There is only $9 million allocated nationally for gifted education.

The type and amount of service an Academically Gifted elementary or middle school student receives depends on the base school he/she attends. Some schools may be allocated a part-time AG teacher, but convert other funds to pay for a full-time position. Some school programs consist of AG students clustered within a regular classroom, while other schools deliver services within homogeneous pull-out programs.

We on the board believe it is important to address the needs of our AG students and we work very hard to provide additional resources for them. There was a business case in this year’s proposed budget that added funding for increased AG services but unfortunately it was cut, along with several other items, when the county appropriation did not meet our request for funds.

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  • superman Sep 4, 2008

    Excuse me but the money is all in the same pot--security has to be paid. How can you say the money is not spent for security? The budget includes an allocation to pay for security. All the funds they receive are spent for items in the budget! Students that are financially able to have their own vehicles can certainly afford to pay for parking. Quit whinning and pay for the parking fee or make other choices.

  • Broadway.2709 Sep 1, 2008

    The point is not how much the security guards are being paid so much as that that is not what the money is going towards.
    WCPSS has stated multiple times that the money is going towards their budget and gas. The security payment per pass is still at $120. Plus, if they have a surplus from the passes already, why do they need more? They go against their own policy and she did not answer why in the answer.

  • superman Sep 1, 2008

    It is extremely difficult to answer a question in a couple sentences when the person asking the question has no knowlege or info on the subject. The school finance office does the inital budget. They present the budget to the BOE. The BOE reviews the budget makes their changes. Then the BOE presents the budet to the CC for funding. The CC allocat money to the school. Then the BOE has to revise their budget according to what the CC gave them. Then the budget is submitted back to the CC. Wake County schools spend 3 million a day. Their budget is probably well over a billion dollars. Some of you should be embarassed that you dont realize that there is much more money involved in a persons pay than their actual salary. 720,000 only pay for about 8 or 9 security people.

  • superman Sep 1, 2008

    Teacher pay is determined by the state teacher salary schedule. All teachers in the state are paid the same! The only difference is that some places pay the teachers a supplement. The majority of all the teachers in the state are paid by the STATE. one teacher for every 30 (?) students is allocated by the state. Only teachers who teach special programs or subjects are paid by the county. Some teachers are paid thru federal programs. A math teacher in wake county is paid the same as a math teacher in Duplin county. the only difference is the county supplement. the 720,000 on security might also include, repaving or repair, uniforms, security vehicles, lightening etc. if a person is paid 40,000 salary, you have to also include matching retirement, social secuity and hospitalization, workmans compensation. A single emplyee could cost as much as 80,000. So 720,000 is not that much. Obviously you dont know much about how to budget for a persons salary.

  • boatingforfun88 Aug 29, 2008

    I submitted a question that was ignored. That's how WCPSS info is on a need to know basis only as far as the public is concerned!!!

  • JustOneGodLessThanU Aug 28, 2008

    I asked this school building question, but it wasn't chosen.

    What would you think of a school building that was hurricane proof, tornado proof, fire proof, could be built in 3 months, lasts centuries instead of decades, could have more window than conventional, requires almost NO maintenance, costs the same as conventional, and pays for itself in 20 years in saved heating/cooling costs?

    Well, here it is: http://static.monolithic.com/gallery/schools/index.html

    And, there's already one in Raleigh, called the School of Communication Arts.

    These structures are so good, that some states require consideration and review of Monolithic construction for every new school. (Sorry, but I can't find the link to prove that at the moment, but it was a couple of mid-west states.)

    Our kids would be safe during a storm (or bomb attack for that matter) and it would save us millions. What are we waiting for?

  • iamrunningalong Aug 28, 2008

    It would be interesting to see/know all the other questions that were submitted and not answered. Also - can WRAL please facilitate an "ask anything" to Ron Margiotta, another BOE elected offical? I'd like to hear and see his perspective out here. It feels a little wrong to only ask ONE BOE member, as a matter of fact - do an ask anything with ALL of them.

  • lovemykids Aug 28, 2008

    Liar, Liar pants on fire... WCPSS Board Members are completely useless. How do we get them removed? They obviously do not care about our children in anyway. My son last year was bused past 4 schools to make it more diverse, he was physically harmed at this school, tried 3 times for transfer request(all denied) contacted School Board - they ignored me. Had to move our home - only solution, lost 1000's of dollars and still own 2 homes, we are in a financial nightmare, but at least our kid is safe and sound now, going to a good safe school. There is no reason we should have gone thru this. Someone please tell me how to remove these incompetent people from their office.

  • DrJ Aug 26, 2008

    It's abundantly clear that we're dealing with a politician, and not someone who cares about improving the quality of education for the children. If she really cared, she'd be honest and forthright with her answers.

    WRAL, I appreciate your efforts. But if people like this aren't going to be required to answer the questions, it's really a waste of everyone's time. I will grant you she's not even close to believable when she does actually respond.......

  • goldencu Aug 26, 2008

    Her answers are typical WCPSS spin and yet another example of how antiquated and out of touch these board members are. When was the last time any of them had kids is school and had to deal with these social engineering policies they are executing upon us? Can WCPSS board members be impeached since they are elected??? Might be worth looking into..