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Consulting doubles cost of Raleigh police training trip

Posted August 13, 2012
Updated August 14, 2012

— For a third time, the Raleigh Police Department has revised the total cost of a training trip taken by two dozen police lieutenants to Civil War battlefields in Virginia, Maryland and Pennsylvania in June.

Department spokesman Jim Sughrue initially said the department spent  $7,700 on food and lodging during the three-day trip. A week later, the department added another $6,000 to the total, expenses Sughrue said went toward consultant fees, transportation and incidentals such as museum fees and parking.

According to a contract between the city and Gallagher-Westfall Group of Indiana, RPD paid another $11,995 for consulting services, including training materials, five days of instruction and travel expenses for the consultants.

Chief Harry Dolan has defended the outlay, attributing a decline in the number of complaints about excessive force by officers to a better trained force. 

A spokesman for the Teamsters Local 391, which represents the police interest group Raleigh Police Protective Association, argued the trip was a waste of time, resources and money.

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  • nycdetective Aug 15, 1:35 p.m.

    Integrity WWJD for a Klondike Bar?

    I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

  • davidccouper Aug 15, 11:59 a.m.

    I have another idea. How about the lieutenants read my book and discuss it with citizen groups. They would learn a lot. Of course it is a lot easier to talk about reforming our police than doing it. For the most part, police throughout the world are the same. And the same insights and direction for improving them hold true. Police should be well-trained, restrained in their use of force, honest, and courteous to all. To take a look at how to improve police, see “Arrested Development: A Veteran Police Chief Sounds Off About Protest, Racism, Corruption and the Seven Steps Necessary to Improve Our Nation’s Police” (Amazon.com in US and EU). My blog is at http://improvingpolice.wordpress.com where I discuss these and other current police improvement issues. Good luck and may we all experience not just good but great policing!

  • Southern Discomfort Aug 14, 7:07 p.m.

    Raleigh has 14 Police Officers answering phones and filing reports for over $70,000 dollars/year. Yes, seargants answerng the phones for 70k. This is insane. These could be filled by civilians for less than 35k.

  • piene2 Aug 14, 5:08 p.m.

    "Either that or they have been ticketed or arrested for some wrong they were alleged to have committed. Call your next case.
    BE"

    Yes that is definitely me. Let me see, my last ticket was something like thirty five years ago and aside from that no cop contact at all from the wrong side. I have had to deal with them after some burgles since the insurance companies demand cop reports but I have always called a friend or two to be sure the cops were closely watched while in my property. One burglary at a time is quite enough.

  • pbjbeach Aug 14, 3:16 p.m.

    CONTINUES FROM EARILER COMMENTS: THIS DOES NOT EVEN TAKE IN TO CONSIDERATION THE COST OF MANUALS AN OTHER PRINTED MATERIALS AN VIDEOS FOR DEMOSTRATIONS DURING THESE SO CALLED TRAININGG SESSIONS/CONFERENCES AN SOO FORTH THANK YOU

  • pbjbeach Aug 14, 3:13 p.m.

    If these cost estimates an overal figures are correct .STOP an think for just one minute as to what the overal cost are as associated with the training expenses meals, driving cost, for gas,& lodging not even taking into account for the facts that the normal work loads for state materials an testing unit employees when they are annualy sent out of town from towns an citys across the state as to otheir normanl routine dutys aren't being cover for weeks at a time while they are out of town for semminars workshops an so called training efforts that are in most cases totaly usless. for all that mangament is concerned about is the provision of income to the assoicated business hotels motels an food service agents for snacks an so forth during these so called conferences just another means by which to waste taxpayers dollars for the complete instrest of business enitys an which the actual taxpayers receive very little to no benefit for these conferences that are held at various places acros

  • bosshog Aug 14, 2:15 p.m.

    There has never been so much controversy and discord surrounding the Raleigh Police Dept. The common denominator in every issue is Harry Dolan. He and his cronies have destroyed the integrity of what was once a professional, reputable police department. This downward spiral has caused line officers not to trust their Lieutenants and Captains, Captains are turning on the chief and line officers are starting to turn on each other. This Department is in SERIOUS trouble and something needs to be done to fix this before it is past the point of no return. No point in asking Russell Allen to address this, as he has blood on his hands as well. Get rid of Russell, Harry and all those below him who have been doing his dirty work. Then find a real LEADER, one who cares about every man and women in the Department, as well as the City and the Citizens of Raleigh.

  • Gork Aug 14, 1:36 p.m.

    What would happen in your job if you were asked for the total cost of an activity and you came back to revise your answer multiple times?

  • Trekker Aug 14, 1:09 p.m.

    “I'm sure that they are written only by experts in law enforcement training who know more than the Chief does about effective training methods.” Nycdetective

    The comments probably have more to do with transparency than training methods. Having to come up with a new amount multiple times casts a lot of doubt as to the integrity of the dept. but integrity probably isn’t a well-known word in the NYC law enforcement community. They should be taking the seminars up there. Heck they don’t know the difference between a wallet and a firearm.

  • nycdetective Aug 14, 12:33 p.m.

    It's always nice to read the comments on this story. I'm sure that they are written only by experts in law enforcement training who know more than the Chief does about effective training methods. I'm sure if he had his officers studying from a free book or attending a free lecture, someone on here would find something to complain about.

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