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Report: Some NC concealed weapon permit holders are felons

Posted December 27, 2011

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— A front-page report in The New York Times on Tuesday highlighted problems with North Carolina's system for concealed weapons permits.

North Carolina does a pretty good job of screening people who apply for concealed weapons permits, but it does a poor job of keeping track of permit holders who later commit crimes, according to the report.

The newspaper compared the state's database of concealed handgun permits issued over the last five years with court records from the same time. Out of about 240,000 people licensed to carry concealed weapons, about 2,400 were convicted of crimes that should have resulted in revocation of the permits.

State law generally prohibits anyone convicted of a felony from owning a gun, and anyone convicted of assault or other violent misdemeanors isn't supposed to be allowed to carry a concealed weapon.

The newspaper found, however, that about half the people convicted of felonies were allowed to keep their permits. That's a problem, because the permit allows someone to buy a gun without a criminal background check.

Local officials statewide also failed to revoke the permits of nearly two-thirds of people convicted of domestic violence charges, according to the investigation.

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North Carolina doesn't have a system in place to check whether a criminal has a concealed handgun permit or to notify a local sheriff to revoke someone's permit.

Gun-rights advocates point out that only 1 percent of people with concealed weapon permits committed crimes, according to the newspaper's investigation, which they said is a lower crime rate than the general public.

Gun-control supporters said the rate should be lower among permit holders because they are people the state has trusted to carry deadly weapons. The groups say they want a centralized system to track and revoke the permits of people who commit crimes.

State lawmakers this year expanded the rights of gun owners, allowing concealed weapons in more places, including parks.

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  • redrubberball1 Dec 28, 2011

    "I guess you failed to read the very story we are commenting on. Hint, it is about FELONS who has WEAPON PERMITS therefore CAN OWN WEAPONS…"

    It isn't legal for a convicted FELON to own or possess a firearm, even if he/she posseses a CCW permit obtained prior to the FELONY conviction. A convicted FELON cannot ever legally possess a firearm again, unless, perhaps, if a full restoration of "rights" has been applied for and obtained. That process isn't completely clear to me but I don't intend to become a FELON.

  • Glock Ranger Dec 28, 2011

    Some FFLs might do an NICS when a CCH Permit is used to buy, but it is not required. The NCCCH Permit satisfies the requirements of the Brady Act, so all that is required is that an CCH Permit holder fills out the Form 4473, which is then held in the FFL's files for a minimum of 20 years.

    Refer back to my earlier post about permits in North Carolina. NC requires a purchase permit from the Sheriff of the county of residence to buy a handgun. If you have an NC CCH Permit, which must be issued by the Sheriff in the county of residence, it is your background check and no further checks are required. You can only buy 1 handgun with a purchase permit. You may buy every gun in the store with the CCH Permit.

    A permit is not required to purchase a long gun (rifle, or shotgun). The purchaser must complete the BATFE Form 4473, and if no permit is presented, then the dealer must call the FBI NICS for authorization to proceed.

  • Crumps Br0ther Dec 28, 2011

    No one is trying to take our guns...
    -WooHoo2You
    Well not blatantly, chipping away at it though.

    Ya know if I dont like something I just don't participate, I don't try and keep other people from it. Why can't everyone be like that? Seems to me, when the minority doesnt like something they want to keep it from everybody!

  • jcopeland63 Dec 28, 2011

    ldyblu007 wrote:
    Having a NC Concealed Carry Permit does not exempt the holder from having a background/criminal history check at the time of purchasing the firearm. It exempts the holder from having to get a purchase permit from the Sheriff's Office. A check is still performed at the time of purchase regardless if the purchaser has a concealed carry permit or not.

    This is correct and I guess the unwashed masses don't know or don't realize the laws. To purchase a handgun in NC you have to present a pistol permit or have a NC Concealed Carry Lic. at the time of purchase Period. The dealer still has to have you fill out the BATF paperwork (4473 form)and run the Federal instant background check. If you purchase a shotgun or rifle a permit is not required in NC but the selling dealer has to run a Federal instant background check after you first fill out the BATF 4473 forms. So if there is an issue here its with the Federal Government and State for not doing their jobs very well.

  • fayncmike Dec 28, 2011

    "I can guarantee you that NC permit holders were NOT FELONS at the time the permit was issued. I agree that there is some lag in updating the criminal records and revoking of permits currently held.
    Vietnam Vet"

    Common now, wake up and smell the coffee. This is North Carolina. Anyone with any pull at all can fix any traffic ticket. Anyone with any pull at all can make DWIs go away. Anyone with any pull at all can avoid prosecution for almost any crime at all. Anyone with any pull at all can get any zoning they want. All one has to know is who to call. Thinking otherwise is unrealistic to say the least.

  • RM24 Dec 28, 2011

    Yall remember now in Raleight/Wake Co parks you can't even smoke, so I expect this gun law has those politicians doing back flips to figure out how to keep guns out!

  • Vietnam Vet Dec 28, 2011

    I can guarantee you that NC permit holders were NOT FELONS at the time the permit was issued. I agree that there is some lag in updating the criminal records and revoking of permits currently held.

  • ldyblu007 Dec 28, 2011

    Having a NC Concealed Carry Permit does not exempt the holder from having a background/criminal history check at the time of purchasing the firearm. It exempts the holder from having to get a purchase permit from the Sheriff's Office. A check is still performed at the time of purchase regardless if the purchaser has a concealed carry permit or not.

  • jcopeland63 Dec 28, 2011

    The vast majority of people in this state, even if you add the "relocation nation" northerners are supporters of CC rights and the 2nd amendment in general. And this includes the majority of Democrats. But the bottom line is......if you moved to this state and don't like the way it is......move back home and fix the corrupt governments, ruined economies and dysfunctional societies you left behind.

  • WooHoo2You Dec 28, 2011

    WhooHoo2You fails to acknowledge the fact that WhooHoo2You is using old, outdated emotional statements that do not reflect the realities of the courts.

    The U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that the 2nd Amendment does apply to the individual, and it applies within the states, as well. So, whoohoo2you, too, WhooHoo2You!- Glock Ranger

    Glock Ranger, I hope you aim your weapon better than you aim your replies because you are quoting the WRONG PERSON.- WooHoo2You

    Glock Ranger, this was from yesterday, still waiting on my apology ;)

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