Forensic Psychologist Talks About Trying To Defuse Hostage Situation
Posted September 25, 2002
RALEIGH, N.C. — The Raleigh Police Department is the only one in the state with an on-staff forensic psychologist. Dr. Michael Teague performs criminal profiling, counseling and played a role in Monday's deadly police chase that spanned two states.
Teague said he could not provide specifics about his discussions during the chase, but he said his job was to somehow convince Roberto Campos to release his ex-girlfriend Lourdes Gusman, who he forced to speed out of town at gunpoint.
"Since he was shooting out the car, that obviously worries you. You have less control over the situation. If you're in a house or a housing area, you can get people to move out of the house. Obviously when you're flying down the highway at this speed, how do you control that situation?" he said.
In his five or six brief conversations with Campos, Teague described him as bothered, not tense.
"It was hard to get him to listen. He would do a lot of talking and listen a very little bit, and as I got him a little bit more to listen, then it's almost like as he felt himself listening, he would hang up," Teague said.
Teague does not believe Campos began the ordeal with his mind set on killing Gusman.
"The fact that it took him 100 miles and over a hour and a half to commit a crime, there had to be some indecision there, some reason for waiting," Teague said.
Following the murder-suicide, Teague and Lt. Chris Morgan had to both console Gusman's husband and get critical information from him.
"It's just one of those very awkward, sad situations. You know, any time you lose a loved one like that, it's very tragic, very painful. It's a very hard part of the job for everybody involved with it to deal with that," Teague said.
Teague says one time during the negotations, he spoke with Gusman briefly. He did not describe her as tense, but just trying the best she could to deal with the situation.