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Black: 'I did not ever do anything for money in my pocket'

Posted April 7, 2011

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— Six months after his release from federal prison on political corruption charges, former North Carolina House Speaker Jim Black insists he did nothing illegal.

"I did not ever, ever do anything for money in my pocket," Black said Monday in an exclusive interview with WRAL News at his home in Matthews.

The 76-year-old Democrat reigned over the House for eight years before resigning his seat in February 2007 and pleading guilty to a federal corruption charge and entering an Alford plea to state charges of bribery and obstruction of justice.

In an Alford plea, a defendant pleads guilty, while maintaining his innocence, and admits it is in his best interest to take the plea deal because there is sufficient evidence to find him guilty.

Black served more than three years in federal prisons in Pennsylvania and Georgia before being released last fall to finish his sentence under house arrest. He also paid a $1 million fine on the obstruction of justice charge.

"I can't blame what happened to me on anybody else, and I don't," he said. "I didn't come out bitter. I did the best I could do."

During his time in prison, he said, he was treated fairly. But he said he spent 97 days in solitary confinement after another prisoner left a contraband cell phone in his bunk.

"I was blessed in a lot of ways. It gave me a chance to get closer to God," he said. "I knew the Lord well before I went to prison, but I can understand now why you find the Lord in prison because you get to your knees right away."

Power made Black a target

Black said he first became the target of a federal investigation in 2001, when agents looked into his connections to the video poker industry.

"Ironically, (the investigation) was called Double Black Diamond. I used to hear about Double Black Diamond, and I never thought about what it meant. Later on, I realized that I was the 'Black,'" he said.

"They made a big deal that the video poker people had contributed so much money and that I was protecting them," he said. "I wasn't protecting the video poker people. They never turned up anything illegal."

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A few years later, the State Board of Elections held hearings into how Black raised money for legislative candidates, and federal authorities again became interested in his dealings.

"I stayed too long, I guess," he said in explaining why he was such an inviting target. "I do know that I stayed too long."

He served 20 years in the House, representing part of Mecklenburg County.

Black compared politics to a football field, saying almost every power-broker steps out of bounds now and then. Anybody looking to take a politician down will seize on one of those moments, he said.

"There are people who need you out of the way, want you out of the way, and there's no way to be careful enough to not cross the line somewhere," he said. "If the right people want to take you out of the picture, stepping on the sideline is absolutely prohibited. So, that's just how it happened.

"If I could go back, I would avoid some of those times when I stepped on the sideline," he said.

Federal authorities said he solicited at least $25,000 in illegal campaign contributions from chiropractors between 2000 and 2005 to help shepherd legislation helpful to the profession through the General Assembly. Cash payments were made to Black in men's rooms, private clubs and elsewhere, and he deposited the money into his personal account and never reported the contributions to elections officials, authorities said.

The state charges stemmed from efforts to get the chiropractors to downplay the donations to a grand jury and from $50,000 paid to former Forsyth County Rep. Michael Decker to switch to the Democratic Party in 2003. The move helped Black retain a share of the speaker position in an evenly divided House.

Black said he pleaded guilty only to get out from underneath the investigation.

"There are some things that I just finally had to agree to to get it over with," he said. "I spent over $1 million in legal fees, so I told my lawyer to make a deal."

Life after prison, politics

After his steep and swift fall, he said, he knows his critics will never believe his side of the story but he simply wants to get on with life now that he has served his sentence.

"I hold my head up high," he said. "I know what I did, and God knows what I did and what I didn't do better than anybody else."

Black's wife of 55 years, Betty, died recently after a long battle with Lou Gehrig's disease. He said he was grateful to be released from prison early so he could take care of her in her final months.

"When I thought she was not going to live, I started to make arrangements to come home for her funeral, and the only way they were going to let me come was to be in shackles, with a marshal on each side of me," he said. "I said, 'I don't think she would want me to do that.'

"So, I just hoped for the best, and God stepped up and gave me 5½ months (with her)."

He has regained his license to practice optometry – he had surrendered it while in prison – and plans to work in his daughter's optometric practice. He also is writing a book about North Carolina politics.

In the end, Black said, he hopes he is remembered more for his accomplishments than for how his political career ended. He helped create the Amber Alert system for North Carolina, pushed for alternative education for inmates, helped balance several state budgets and expanded funding to the community college system.

"The community colleges are the only place where you can be born again in education," he said. "If you could lose your job at 40 or 45 years old, you can go back to the community college."

He has no plans to run for office again, but he wants to speak to others about making the right choices.

"I had a lot of time to think (in prison) about how to use the rest of my life, and I want to use the rest of my life to help other people not make the same mistakes," he said.

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  • tsquaring Apr 8, 7:46 p.m.

    It's disturbing that he would do this interview. Especially when he knows everything didn't fully come out. Mr. Black, keep you mouth shut before you become another story.

  • djofraleigh Apr 8, 7:34 p.m.

    I could understand his selling out for pure financial profit but he sold out our democratic process by negating the voters choice of power. He should have had everything taken and banished from our state forever.

  • djofraleigh Apr 8, 7:32 p.m.

    Black should fully explain WHY he did the things he did.

    NC was a crooked government while he was in power, and I admit he wasn't the only crook, just one of the few caught.

  • djofraleigh Apr 8, 7:31 p.m.

    Black: 'I did not ever do anything for money in my pocket'.."

    Clinton: 'I did not ever have sex with that woman'.."

    Charley Rangel: 'I did not ever withhold earnings from the IRS.."

    Darn is there an echo in this room..????

    that should be sold to late night comedians...that good...applause with laughter

  • GWALLY Apr 8, 5:29 p.m.

    Black: 'I did not ever do anything for money in my pocket'.."

    Clinton: 'I did not ever have sex with that woman'.."

    Charley Rangel: 'I did not ever withhold earnings from the IRS.."

    Darn is there an echo in this room..????

  • Mom2two Apr 8, 4:17 p.m.

    I don't know why so many people were bashing David Crabtree and WRAL. What better way to show how truly arrogant Jim Black is than to let him tell us himself.

    And I never believed it was about money, anyway. It is all about POWER. Money is just the grease that keeps it flowing.

  • shawnwilliams159 Apr 8, 2:41 p.m.

    Tell us how it feels Jim Black to have helped run the Democratic party in NC and the south into the ground. You will go down in History along with Phelps, Easley, Holden and others as having been corrupt and a criminal. This mans arrogance is disgraceful.

  • jafarmg2 Apr 8, 1:19 p.m.

    I have no respect for this person that refuses to take responsibility for his actions. NC will continue to struggle until we clean up all the crooks in politics in this state.

  • CoCo Apr 8, 1:19 p.m.

    How nice he received a customized jail sentence.

  • Tax Man Apr 8, 12:57 p.m.

    I am just glad we got this crook out of NC politics and he went to prison, albeit for a very short time. We need to keep rousting these crooks and get NC government back to the people and for the people. Perhaps once we rout the Dems from the GA we will return to solvency and honesty.

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