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NC gets D grade from group for science education

Posted January 31, 2012

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— North Carolina's science education standards for elementary, middle and high schools rate only a D, according to a report released Tuesday.

The Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a nonprofit education policy think tank, criticized the state's standards for science, saying they include a crippling lack of detail and "poorly developed, confusing or misleading" content.

Experts from the Fordham Institute evaluated science standards from every state for their content, rigor, clarity and specificity. The group didn't grade on a curve, handing out 17 Ds and 10 Fs. Only six states received an A or A-.

"If America is to remain a prosperous, scientifically-advanced and economically competitive nation, then we must ensure that every school is teaching science to a very high standard," Chester Finn Jr., Fordham's president, said in a statement. "If our expectations are low and unclear, we're guaranteeing the failure of our students and the weakening of our nation."

Science standards are the foundation upon which a state's system of assessment, instruction and accountability rests, the group said. The report didn't address whether science standards are being properly assessed with state tests, effectively implemented in the schools or if they are driving improvements in student achievement.

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  • Plenty Coups Feb 1, 2012

    timexliving-"Wrong!!!! Gravity is a scientific law! It meets all the criteria defined in the scientific method that makes it a law: it's observable, repeatable and predictable. "

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    http://www.wilstar.com/theories.htm

  • Plenty Coups Feb 1, 2012

    westernwake-"Nice selective quoting. Why don't you post the link to the site so everyone else can review it. This is the only result (being math in one particular grade) where public schools were "better"."

    I did post the link. I have yet to see any link by you that backs up your claims. NAEP compares 4th grade reading/math as well as 8th grade reading/math. As their studies show, there is a huge difference between 4th grade math scores w/ public schools clearly superior after adjustment. Priv. School reading scores were higher in 8th grade reading but not in math. So basically, public schools are better in 4th gr.math and private schools in 8th gr.reading. Hardly proof of private school superiority. But the other studies (Lubienski study) you completely ignore. This study shows the strong math scores of public schools.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090226093423.htm

  • Ex-Republican Feb 1, 2012

    "Gravity is also a theory....
    Do you not believe in gravity? lol" - juncyard v2

    Wrong!!!! Gravity is a scientific law! It meets all the criteria defined in the scientific method that makes it a law: it's observable, repeatable and predictable.

    Not only do our schools get a D in science, but apparently our general population does as well.

  • Sherlock Feb 1, 2012

    How did it get so high???? The teachers should have thake the test

  • westernwake1 Feb 1, 2012

    "Math scores-"After adjusting for selected student characteristics,....- Plenty Coups

    Nice selective quoting. Why don't you post the link to the site so everyone else can review it. This is the only result (being math in one particular grade) where public schools were "better". In all the other test results, private schools were better than public schools after adjusting for characteristics. I pointed this out clearly on an earlier thread.

    Post the link to your source, let people read it and figure it out for themselves.

  • westernwake1 Feb 1, 2012

    "Math scores-"After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was -4.5 and significantly different from zero. (Note that a negative difference implies that the average school mean was higher for public schools.""

    Why don't you post the link to where you got this quote. This is the only quote (referring to the math test of one single grade) of 150 quotes on the site that state that public schools are better; in every other case private schools were clea

  • Crumps Br0ther Feb 1, 2012

    ....Abe would be ashamed of what they have become.

    And it has been said several time JFK would be considered conservative. Things change, whats your point?

  • Plenty Coups Feb 1, 2012

    Charter school study in NC. Doesn't seem to support the argument that they are the answer.:

    http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/statepressreleases/North_Carolina.pdf

  • Plenty Coups Feb 1, 2012

    Teaching math truly reflects the ability of a teacher which may be a main reason why public schools outperform private ones.

  • Plenty Coups Feb 1, 2012

    "I dug through the information at the link ...private schools outperform public schools on math, reading"

    Would love to see this. This is a direct quote from the NAEP test site:

    Math scores-"After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was -4.5 and significantly different from zero. (Note that a negative difference implies that the average school mean was higher for public schools."

    Reading-"After adjusting for selected student characteristics, the difference in means was near zero and not significant."

    Link: http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2006461.asp
    "As posted earlier 98 out of the 100 charter schools in North Carolina outperform public schools in the comparison of same racial groups. This evidence for this is found at the state's education site."

    No, I want a link to back your claim as I fail to see anything to support it.

    Independent study:
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090226093423.htm

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