McCrory, feds differ on Medicaid rule

Posted October 22, 2013

McCrory at Heritage

— Speaking at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., Monday, Gov. Pat McCrory defended his decision not to expand Medicaid but said a new federal rule could force his hand. 

U.S. Health and Human Services officials, speaking on background, say the governor's interpretation of the rule is flawed. 

In a 45-minute question-and-answer session with Heritage Vice President Becky Dunlop, McCrory said he decided not to expand Medicaid because he didn't feel the state's Department of Health and Human Services could handle the expansion.

"In a very short period of time, I would have had to put a brand-new bureaucracy together at a time period that I couldn't meet. I knew I couldn't meet it when my current bureaucracy couldn't handle the Medicaid costs overruns that were currently happening," he said.

But McCrory hinted that that decision could change. 

"We just got a new reg which might, in fact, force us to do Medicaid expansion, whether we want to or not, in the upcoming year," he told the audience.

"A new reg came out five or six or seven weeks ago which basically says, if a person goes to the hospital and they say they cannot pay for it and they might not even qualify for Medicaid, they can still sign up for Medicaid, even if they're not under one of the four or five characteristics of a Medicaid recipient," McCrory said.

"If they do that, the hospital then and that person can bill the state of North Carolina for two months," he continued."After two months, if the state finds out that they did not qualify for Medicaid, they will be taken off of Medicaid. But the state still has to pay for that two months, and that is two months of tests and services that we did not have budgeted.

"Now that the new reg has come, I'm in a very difficult position on what decision to make. We've checked the constitutionality of it, and our lawyers say the administration has every right to do what they're doing, even based upon the Supreme Court ruling. That comes as a surprise to me," said McCrory.

Federal Medicaid spokeswoman Emma Sandoe explained that the rule doesn't actually open the doors to Medicaid expansion.  

"There’s a long-running statute in Medicaid that a state can do what’s called presumptive eligibility – that means, if someone is presumed to be eligible, they can enroll," Sandoe said. "Originally, it was for women and children. In July, we released a regulation that extends this to newly eligible people under the Affordable Care Act. It also says hospitals can make that determination." 

However, Sandoe pointed out, the rule explicitly says that presumptive eligibility must follow each state’s eligibility criteria.

"States' eligibility rules govern this," she explained, "and hospitals aren't required to do it." 

North Carolina's eligibility requirements have not changed, so presumptive eligibility would cover only those groups currently eligible for Medicaid: women, children, the elderly and the disabled. 

Asked for clarification, McCrory spokesman Ryan Tronovitch said, "The governor was specifically referring to the expansion of the Medicaid budget. The troubling aspect of the rule is that, if a hospital incorrectly signs up a person for Medicaid benefits who is not eligible, the state cannot recoup those funds spent during the presumed eligibility time period. This cost could be a significant budget variable."


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  • AliceBToklas Oct 24, 2013

    Regardless of his motivations I hope he does reverse his earlier decision.

  • 42_wral_mods_suck_i'm_gone Oct 24, 2013

    laughing looking at the liberal posts below......let's expand medicaid...ProzacDispenser

    FYI Prozac, we'll be paying for the medical coverage whether we expand Medicaid or not. If we don't expand, we'll pay emergency room rates and well need to borrow even MORE.

  • lem07 Oct 24, 2013

    If Hospitals sign up Medicaid patients who do not qualify for Medicaid isn't that Medicaid fraud? And then file a suit for Medicaid fraud to recoup that cost plus fees, and maybe some jail time?

  • LuvLivingInCary Oct 24, 2013

    laughing looking at the liberal posts below...let's see...we just borrowed 16 TRILLION to pay for stuff we can afford and that's on top of the 15 TRILLION last year and 15 TRILLION the year before...on and on and on...

    and to the posters below they say...let's expand medicaid...

  • pulstar40 Oct 23, 2013

    Because of his unwillingness to expand Medicaid, hundreds of thousands will still be without health insurance next year. They "make too much" to qualify for Medicaid, and can't get any subsidies from ACA because the plan "assumed" that they would qualify for Medicaid. More worried about the Medicaid budget then those outrageous salaries paid out.

  • Atheistinafoxhole Oct 23, 2013

    Ha! This is an obvious attempt to save his political future by expanding Medicaid, while making it appear that he is "forced" to do so by the Federal government so he won't be denounced by the extreme right wing elements of his party. This used to be called cowardice.

  • SARCASTICLES Oct 22, 2013

    Is Pat McCrory the Governor of The Heritage Foundation, or North Carolina?

    Every time their ALEC agenda hits a snag, he bolts to a Conservative Think Tank to hatch a new strategery.

    What happened to the guy who swore he'd be a "moderate" who would govern "from the center"?


  • 42_wral_mods_suck_i'm_gone Oct 22, 2013

    And 500,000 North Carolinians are without healthcare because McCrory is not up to the task. My hero.

  • jackjones2nc Oct 22, 2013

    Pat McCrory is a man of poor character. No dignity, no shame. Very sad to see him as our governor.

  • 42_wral_mods_suck_i'm_gone Oct 22, 2013

    "In a very short period of time, I would have had to put a brand-new bureaucracy together at a time period that I couldn't meet. I knew I couldn't meet it when my current bureaucracy couldn't handle the Medicaid costs overruns that were currently happening,"

    Being governor is tough. I can't meet the challenge. My under qualified overpaid campaign donors can't run an agency. Waaahh.

    Wow, you are really going to be one and done McCrory.