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Lt. Gov. Forest unhappy he got what he asked for

Posted August 23, 2013

— Lt. Gov. Dan Forest is unhappy with the answer he got when his office asked North Carolina's Department of Public Instruction 67 questions.

The department replied with "12 boxes containing approximately 40,000 sheets of paper, with a cover letter that did not directly answer any of his 67 questions, but rather referred him to 134 separate websites, linking to over 100 separate pages, 320 separate reports, hundreds of original source documents, 40 presentations, one blog post and a thumb drive."

In a new release, Forest describes the reply as "bureaucracy at its best," complaining that the department did not take the time to individually answer his questions. He doesn't say if the answers could be found in all those boxes of paper, website links or thumb drives.

"Forest’s office today also announced that they would mail a copy of DPI’s reply to every member of the General Assembly, all 115 school superintendents, all elected county commissioners and local School Board members statewide," the news release said.

He better hit those back-to-school sales for a good deal on copier paper.

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  • unclassified Aug 25, 10:21 a.m.

    His children are homeschooled. I am not saying that there is anything wrong with going that way, but he is not a friend of public education.

  • unclassified Aug 24, 10:23 a.m.

    I believe I read somewhere that Forest's children are homeschooled. He is NOT a friend of public school's!

  • crkeehn Aug 24, 9:54 a.m.

    The Lieutenant Governor got exactly what he requested. He submitted a 40 page list of questions. The questions demanded COMPLETE documentation to cover the answer for those questions. If you are asking for the minutes of every single meeting dealing with the subject (Only a single part of a multiparted 1st question) then you are talking a massive amount of documentation right there. The majority of his other questions DEMANDED the same detail.

  • krimson Aug 23, 10:06 p.m.

    From an editorial in the National Review, dated 4/2013:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344519/truth-about-common-core-kathleen-porter-magee

    "They simply delineate what children should know at each grade level and describe the skills that they must acquire to stay on course toward college or career readiness. They are not a curriculum; it’s up to school districts to choose curricula."

    "Some argue that states were coerced into adopting Common Core by the Obama administration... But the administration has stated that adoption of “college and career readiness standards” doesn’t necessarily mean adoption of Common Core."

    "policymaking — and 90 percent of funding — is still handled at the state and local levels. And tying strings to federal education dollars is nothing new. No Child Left Behind... linked federal Title I dollars directly to state education policy, and states not complying risked losing millions in compensatory-education funding..."

    YMMV...

  • wanderer Aug 23, 8:08 p.m.

    Ummm, I have to wonder if the people who thinks the response was inappropriate actually took the time read the questions he asked. I'm thinking they didn't and only read the parts they wanted to see.

  • dmarion2 Aug 23, 7:32 p.m.

    Forest describes the reply as "bureaucracy at its best..."

    He meant "worst" didn't he? (He should have.)

  • ncpilot2 Aug 23, 6:24 p.m.

    I think the Superintendent of Public Instruction's response to the request is childish and silly. I also believe the headline to the story is poorly written and seems to project a bias.

    The Lt. Governor was not "unhappy he got what he asked for." He did NOT get what he asked for and that's the point missed in the headline.

  • RightinRaleigh Aug 23, 5:20 p.m.

    kdogwnc--I suggest doing a bit more research.

    "For starters, the misnamed “Common Core State Standards” are not state standards. They’re national standards, created by Gates-funded consultants for the National Governors Association (NGA). They were designed, in part, to circumvent federal restrictions on the adoption of a national curriculum, hence the insertion of the word “state” in the brand name. States were coerced into adopting the Common Core by requirements attached to the federal Race to the Top grants and, later, the No Child Left Behind waivers. (This is one reason many conservative groups opposed to any federal role in education policy oppose the Common Core.)"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/06/18/the-common-cores-fundamental-trouble/

  • beef Aug 23, 5:08 p.m.

    This response to a request from the Lt. Governor is like that of a disgruntled motorist who pays a speeding ticket with a wheelbarrow full of pennies. It is childish and therefore it is no surprise that Democrats think it is clever. Whoever is behind this should be disciplined.

  • roxsheri Aug 23, 4:36 p.m.

    I read the letter he sent to NCDPI and 40,000 sheets for the answer doesn't seem out of the ordinary for all the questions and sub questions. This is just the first one...

    i.
    The dates, times, and locations of these meetings.

    ii.
    The minutes, agendas, and materials from these meetings.

    iii.
    A list/roster of all attendees/stakeholders who participated.

    iv.
    The desired changes/suggestions that were made.

    1.
    If there are no public records of i-iv, can you explain why?

    v.
    What the standards were before suggestions were made.

    vi. What the standards were after suggestions were made.

    1. If no changes were made, can you explain why?

    vii. Who in North Carolina was responsible for presenting these ideas to the organizations that crafted the standards?

    viii. Provide a list of the suggestions that were not taken into consideration.

    1. As well as the reasoning provided for why they were not considered. Sounds like he wanted details and got them!

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