Lawmakers tighten Legislative Building access rules

Posted May 15, 2014

'Moral Monday' protest arrest

— A hastily called committee voted Thursday to pass new rules for citizens' use of the Legislative Building – just in time for planned protests next week.

The rules haven't been updated since 1987. The Legislative Services Commission, which sets the rules, hasn't even met since 1999. Rep. Larry Hall, D-Durham, said he and other commission members weren't officially appointed until Wednesday.  

Democrats say the rule changes are a blatant attempt to keep protesters in the "Moral Monday" movement out of the building. Republicans say the update was needed because of recent court rulings in Moral Monday arrest cases from last year. 

Some of the changes address old rules that judges have ruled unconstitutional, such as a prohibition on hand-held signs in the building. A judge ruled the ban was a content-based restriction on speech, which violates the First Amendment. Another discarded rule bans the public from the second floor of the Legislative Building.  

Other changes, backers say, are simply a reflection of current practices, such as the codification of the reservation procedure for groups wishing to protest at the front of the building. 

But there are additional changes that go further. 

Under the new rules, any group making enough noise to interfere with conversation at normal conversational levels is creating a "disturbance." Singing, clapping, shouting and using a bullhorn are offered as examples of disturbing behavior. All were common during Moral Monday protests in the building last summer.

The new rules also allow police or staff to order people to leave the building if they think those people pose an "imminent threat" of a disturbance, even if they haven't done anything. If the visitors don't leave, they can be arrested and charged with a misdemeanor. The term "imminent threat" isn't defined in the rules. 

Commission Chairman Rep. Tim Moore said "common sense" would have to be used in enforcing the rules, but he said the legislative building would continue to be "the most open building in state government."  

Moore, R-Cleveland, said the changes provide full public access to citizens while allowing other citizens to lobby their legislators and ensuring that the lawmakers and their staff can carry on with their work. 

"We can't allow situations where folks would crowd the doors and keep folks from getting onto the House floor or the Senate floor," he said.

The committee voted 7-3 to approve the new rules, with both Democrats and one Republican voting no. The changes take effect immediately.

No public comment was allowed at the meeting.

Afterward, North Carolina Central University law professor Irving Joyner, a regular Moral Monday protester, called the rules "vague and over-broad."

"They leave officers with unbridled discretion to interpret them in any way that they wish to interpret them," Joyner said. "What's a disturbance? An imminent disturbance, a potential disturbance? There's a lack of clarity as to how these rules should be enforced." 

Hall, the House minority leader, blasted the rule change as a partisan ploy.

"Everybody knows what the rush is. Change this and try to limit people participating in petitioning their government this short session," he said.

"This is limiting people’s ability to have their voices heard," he said after the meeting. "They elect us. We work for them. It’s not the other way around. This isn’t 'Our House,' it’s the 'People’s House.'"

Moore denied that the changes were aimed at the Moral Monday protests, which are expected to resume on Monday evening.

"Folks can gather all around this building anywhere they want. In fact, it’s good to see people here. That’s not what this is designed to do," he said. "Folks will still be here protesting on Monday. They’ll be able to protest lawfully in the way they’ve done in the past. The issue with the Moral Monday protest for the few that got arrested was that they were in an area creating a disturbance at a particular time."  

But Joyner said the new rules do appear to restrict how and where groups can come into the building.

"If you have a group above 200 people, what is the disposition? Can they not come in? Can they not use the chamber? Can they not walk through and observe what’s going on?" he asked. "The Constitution doesn’t limit citizens to just come in as individuals.

"This is a public building that’s owned by the citizens of North Carolina," he said. "Every citizen  has a right to gather here at any time to address their legislators and instruct them on how they want them to proceed. That’s a constitutional right that’s built into the North Carolina Constitution, and these rules don’t in any way support that constitutional right."


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  • ron2sharp May 19, 2014

    i sure wish wral-5 would quit giving these law breakers(not moral mondays)free tv coverage,,we(most people)are tired of seeing these lawbreakers every monday,,,i will switch and turn to another station if yall keep giving these people air time,,thanks,,

  • miseem May 16, 2014

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    Do you have an example of the protesters using a bullhorn in the legislative chambers? If so, I'd like to see a link. If not, I'll figure you made that one up.

  • curiousgeorgia May 16, 2014

    Sounds like two kindergarten schools having a rumble.

  • sabsco May 16, 2014

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    McCrory is easy enough but his "cabal" gerrymandered so artfully that we're pretty much stuck with them no matter what.

  • JoeF May 16, 2014

    In 100 years, no one was denied the right to free speech, assembly, redress. McCrory and his cabal are breaking the law. They work for us and not the other way 'round.
    The best way to challenge the McCrory/Pope admin. is to vote them out, period.

  • JustOneGodLessThanU May 16, 2014

    More Republicans increasing government controls of the people...

    It's in nearly every ruling that they make these days...government increasing its reach and more laws restricting personal freedoms. Stop it!

  • Earth Brooks May 16, 2014

    "Cannot win? I doubt the people in NC will put up with these fools that much longer. Even the Tea Party are starting to grasp they have been sold a lemon"

    Unfortunately it will likely be 2016 before they are swept out. Until then, keep your cupboards stocked and your guns loaded.

  • Grand Union May 16, 2014

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    Cannot win? I doubt the people in NC will put up with these fools that much longer. Even the Tea Party are starting to grasp they have been sold a lemon

  • James Hawk May 16, 2014
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    "I just think this is "Moral Monday" group is a creation of the liberal democratic party that cannot win N.C. elections and therefore seek to hide behind groups like the NAACP to advance their socialist agenda."

    What do you think the TEA PARTY IS!!!!!!!!!

  • Atheistinafoxhole May 16, 2014

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    "My question is, what if it were reversed and Perdue and a Democratic led NCGA were trying to change regulations because Tea Party protests were in the building? Would you still agree or disagree? It has to go both ways!"

    The article clearly states there have been no changes to these rules since 1987 (long before Purdue), so you are making a straw argument.

    As for going both ways, that is a personal decision you must make for yourself (sarcasm).