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Lawmakers among duplicate voting matches

Posted May 12

— Four sitting state lawmakers are likely among the more than 35,000 North Carolina voters who share a first name, last name and birthday with an individual registered to vote in another state. 

"I think they're innocent," said Bob Hall, director of Democracy North Carolina, as he tried to make a point about what he called "hysteria" over voter fraud that has been the backdrop for several new election laws.

Rather than implicate the lawmakers in voter fraud, Hall said, the matches indicate the difficulties of drawing conclusions about the real world simply from database matches. 

Hall said that, in the case of the lawmakers, the matches were likely the results of old voter registrations that were never rescinded when they moved to North Carolina. Other possibilities include people who do, in fact, share the same first and last name and birthday. For example, Hall said he shares all three points of identifying information with a voter in Ohio.

"He happens to be a Republican and votes very regularly," Hall said. 

During an April legislative hearing, lawmakers heard from state elections officials that 35,570 voters in North Carolina who voted in 2012 had first names, last names and dates of birth that matched those of voters who voted in other states in 2012.

Backers of a new voter identification law took that revelation as evidence of widespread voter fraud.

"This is proof positive that voter fraud has in fact occurred." Rep. Tim Moore, R-Cleveland, said at the time. "For years, all of us have known anecdotally of different types of voter fraud."

But Hall said lawmakers should be more cautious because they could be indicting themselves in the process. He said the Kansas-based crosscheck program was notorious for producing false positives.

Of more concern, he said, were 765 registered North Carolina voters who appear to match registered voters in other states on their first names, last names, dates of birth and the final four digits of their Social Security numbers, although there could be explanations for many of those too.

Rep. Charles Jeter, R-Mecklenburg, was among the four lawmakers Hall pointed to on Monday. Rather than agreeing with Hall that the matches indicated less of a need for strict new voter ID laws, Jeter said they pointed to problems within the election system.

Jeter acknowledged there could be, as in his case, innocent reasons why people showed up as registered in two states.

"The argument from some of my colleagues is there are probably nefariousness reasons as well," he said.

Jeter said that he had been a registered voter in his home state of South Carolina before moving to North Carolina. The fact that he could be shown as an active voter in both places "is a primary example of why there needs to be voter ID."

Hall said he showed the need for more investment in poll-worker training and voter data maintenance. 

The three other lawmakers identified as having exact matches on first and last names as well as birthdays were Sen. Ronald Rabin, R-Harnett, Rep. Rodney Moore, D-Mecklenburg, and Rep. Duane Hall, D-Wake. 

Nine other lawmakers had individuals in others states where they matched on first name and last name and were only one day off with regards to birthday. 

"This is the problem with using massive sets of data to draw conclusions about voter fraud," Hall said.

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  • krimson May 13, 3:57 p.m.

    If someone moves from NC to VA, SC, TN, or any other state.....and they have a NC drivers... View More

    — Posted by lessismore

    I would argue that Conservative want to protect the act of voting twice. Why else would they ignore Absentee Ballot fraud and concentrate on Voter ID, which BTW would not in the slightest prevent a person from voting like in the example you gave.

  • lessismore May 13, 3:23 p.m.

    If someone moves from NC to VA, SC, TN, or any other state.....and they have a NC drivers license and get a new drivers license in their new home state....they can actually vote in both states, but it's illegal. The liberals want to protect the act of voting twice...how else would Obama have won? A woman in Chicago says she voted for Obama 12 times.

  • krimson May 13, 2:11 p.m.

    Good they're changing this as it is now those law makers or the others on this list could go to... View More

    — Posted by 68_dodge_polara

    How would a current NC ID prevent someone from voting via Absentee Ballot in another state in which they are Registered???

  • Grand Union May 13, 11:08 a.m.

    Good they're changing this as it is now those law makers or the others on this list could go to... View More

    — Posted by 68_dodge_polara

    Because it costs taxpayers money to fix a problem no one seems to be able to show exists......a strange thing to want to do......
    and if the GOP really gave a fig for voter fraud why didn't they fix the far more likely source...Absentee voting?
    GOP party members have even admitted the whole reason for the voter ID laws was to reduce the democratic vote....why don't you even believe your own side?

  • icmfal May 13, 10:25 a.m.

    Yes, they matched on name and birth date, that seems mathematically very possible but name,... View More

    — Posted by BadDayforButch

    1 in 9,999

    How many people have been issued SS# in the state of NC?

  • 68_dodge_polara May 13, 10:18 a.m.

    Good they're changing this as it is now those law makers or the others on this list could go to where they once lived and vote. A current valid id would prevent this. Why is asking for no more than one vote per person seem so much to ask for?

  • BadDayforButch May 13, 10:10 a.m.

    Yes, they matched on name and birth date, that seems mathematically very possible but name, birth date and last 4 digits of your SS number, what are the odds on that ?

  • 42 May 13, 9:45 a.m.

    The GOP can't even make sure the list they tout as proof of fraud doesn't have their own names on it. Real smart bunch.

  • jcpmoore May 13, 9:23 a.m.

    In our current system, all someone has to know about you is your name, address, and party affiliation to be able to vote in your place. with the address they can look up your voting location. And those three questions are all that are asked when you show up to vote. ID would make that much harder.

  • Riddickfield May 13, 8:28 a.m.

    Tillis McCrory Berger have always been aware there's no voter fraud substantial enough to... View More

    — Posted by jackjones2nc

    Well you are simply making up this 'fact'. Where is your proof? How do you know this to be true?

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