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Flood-damaged cars spilling into NC

Posted February 7, 2013

— Hurricane Sandy devastated portions of the northeast last October, and its flood waters damaged at least 230,000 vehicles. The 5 On Your Side team found that tens of thousands of those waterlogged vehicles are being cleaned, fixed up and resold, in some cases in North Carolina.

"Our preliminary research shows that about 1 out of every 5 cars damaged during Superstorm Sandy shows evidence that it's back on the road,” said Chris Basso with Carfax, a service that tracks vehicle histories. Users can run a flood car check for free, but Carfax charges for more detailed information.

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The 5 On Your Side team recently watched a dealer-only auction featuring buyers from all over, including California, Texas, Georgia, Massachusetts and El Salvador. Flood-damaged car after car was sold in seconds at a fraction of its original cost.

In one case, a 2012 Audi A7 – normally valued at $58,000 – sold for $23,700. A 2010 Toyota Corolla also went in seconds for $3,900.

“Those cars are eventually going to be cleaned up and resold, some to unknowing consumers,” Basso said.

Paperwork shows some of the cars have already made their way to North Carolina. Wherever they end up, Basso says, the buyers will likely be stuck with nothing but trouble.

“The mechanical systems are going to start to corrode, the electrical systems are going to start to short out and the safety systems may not work when you need them, especially the airbags,” he said.

A 5 On Your Side investigation after Hurricane Floyd in 1999 found plenty of scammed car buyers, including a Middlesex woman who had mud coming out of her 1994 Mitsubishi Mirage’s air vents.

"I had no idea it was a flood car, none whatsoever. It started with the dash lights," Lauralee George said in a June 2001 interview with WRAL. "The passenger side window got stuck down a little bit. Then this window got stuck down all the way. When you turn on the heat, chips of mud blow at you. Then the transmission went out."

The mechanic George hired to fix the car broke the news that her purchase was a flooded car.

"When he tore the transmission out, there was mud underneath, caked underneath," she said.

For two years after Hurricane Floyd, 5 On Your Side tracked vehicles that were branded as flood cars in North Carolina and watched as they were sold, resold and bounced from state to state. Along the way, most picked up clear, or so-called "clean," titles.

That's what happened to a Cary man who bought a Nissan Maxima. He had no idea it had been flooded by Floyd until 5 On Your Side showed him the video.

“Oh geez,” Dave Floor said during a 2001 interview with WRAL. "I did everything right, I thought. There were no signs of anything that would determine this car was flooded."

Even though the Maxima was branded "flood" in North Carolina, that branding did not stick. A records check showed an insurance company sold the flooded car to a Virginia dealership for $5,700. The car was cleaned up, as well as its title.

The Maxima changed hands again before Floor bought it in October 2000 for $15,500 – almost three times what it sold for 10 months earlier. That was especially surprising to Floor since he tried to protect himself by using the car's vehicle identification number to check the title, but he only checked it in Virginia.

"I figured, well, if it's a flood vehicle, that VIN would follow it and the branding would follow it," he said.

The branding did not follow the vehicle because of an unscrupulous re-titling process dishonest dealers use. A two-year investigation by 5 On Your Side showed that it was happening to car-buying consumers all over the country.

Fourteen years later, it's still happening, according to Basso. While it's completely legal to sell a flood car, North Carolina law requires its title be branded as flooded and for sellers to tell buyers in writing. But some states have less stringent titling laws, and dishonest dealers move cars there to take advantage.

“There's an issue called title washing where a con-man will alter the paperwork of the title,” Basso said.

Once the cars are cleaned up, it can be very difficult to tell that a car has ever been in water. Basso says saltwater from Hurricane Sandy's flooding is more corrosive than rainwater and accelerates the time it takes a car to breakdown.

The best advice is to check the car's history and look for signs of water damage in not-so-obvious places, such as under seats and the spare tire well. Another option is to take it to a trusted, experienced mechanic.

“Bottom line, flood cars literally rot from the inside out,” Basso said. “No state is in the clear. These cars can make their way to any city, any state around the country as long as the titles can be cleaned."

When 5 On Your Side reported on flood cars 10 years ago, lawmakers called for a national database of car titles. There's not a fully operational one just yet.

The National Motor Vehicle Title Information System has 33 states that make inquiries before issuing a new title. North Carolina is one of eight states that submits information but doesn't check the database.

The 5 On Your Side team is tracking dozens of Hurricane Sandy flooded cars and will report updates on where they end up. 


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  • Deltawar Feb 11, 2013

    Was looking at CarMax for a late model Honda Pilot and found when IO checked the CarFax for these vehicles that all appeared to have been registered in NY or NJ at the time of Sandy. There was no reference in the vehicle data sheets that they had been flood vehicles.

  • Stilllearnin Feb 11, 2013

    why would we contribute data to a national mv data base and then turn around and not use it? And we should trust our government to work for the people?

  • whatelseisnew Feb 8, 2013

    "Seems like Roy Cooper should be prosecuting these people who "clean" the titles."

    Roy should prosecute himself for contributing to the presence of the criminal illegals.

  • whatelseisnew Feb 8, 2013

    "To the person who commented: I know a dealer who cuts the check engine light indicator. He then solders it to the oil light. Why? Because when you start your car the oil light & check engine light both come on briefly."

    The WHY is... you expect to see the check engine light come on briefly and go out. By pulling the needed voltage from the oil light, you get the expected brief lighting of the check engine. However, if a real problem develops that would normally turn on that light, it will not now turn on.

  • PetulantHarbinger Feb 8, 2013

    When we were young and naive about 20 years ago, we bought a 2 or 3-year old used car from a big, name brand new/used car dealer. Car looked very nice, OK price. A few weeks later I noticed that all of the bolts under the front seat were rusted out. That "nice" salesman sure floated our boat. Learned our lesson.

  • whatelseisnew Feb 8, 2013

    So our LOVELY government does nothing to prevent this. Instead they focus on amnesty for criminals and would dearly love to take guns away from the entire population despite the constitution. So in addition to maybe getting a problem car, you might very well die and kill others out on the highway. It is great to hear they raised the speed limit on I540 so people will now run at 79 miles an hour figuring they will not get stopped. Hope they are not driving one of these things. I wonder how many children will die because of this nonsense. Our Government is the biggest danger to our lives.

  • 3TeensGrowinUp2Fast Feb 8, 2013

    To the person who commented: I know a dealer who cuts the check engine light indicator. He then solders it to the oil light. Why? Because when you start your car the oil light & check engine light both come on briefly. People are driving cars purchased from him that have problems they don't know about because the check engine light only comes on when there's an issue connected to the oil.

    WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU NOT REPORT THIS PERSON?!?!?!?! That's called being responsible! Report him!

  • 3TeensGrowinUp2Fast Feb 8, 2013

    Wow, how will you ever know when you buy a used car with model years 1995-2012 if it was in the darn floods from Sandy?! That's just insane. I guess more people will be buying new cars...wow.

  • lasm Feb 8, 2013

    tedmcneill50: "If NC would check the database as 33 other states do, would this solve the problem here, or at least significantly reduce the chances for this fraud? If yes, shouldn't this law be changed?"

    Sounds like something we should speak to our NC State Senators and Legislators about, huh? Best chance of getting this into law than we have had for some time.......

  • Life-goes-on. Feb 8, 2013

    Seems like Roy Cooper should be prosecuting these people who "clean" the titles.