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House to debate budget Wednesday

Posted June 11, 2013
Updated June 12, 2013

— The House's budget plan survived 10 hours of debate in the Appropriations Committee on Tuesday with few substantive changes. Nearly 40 amendments to Senate Bill 402 were considered, though those that passed made only minor adjustments to the $20.6 billion plan.

Three changes proposed by Republicans generated substantial debate.  

Rep. Chris Whitmire, R-Transylvania, proposed removing the "Opportunity Scholarship" voucher program from the bill. Rep. Larry Pittman, R-Cabarrus, sought to strike the funding for eugenics compensation. Rep. George Cleveland, R-Onslow, tried to require the University of North Carolina system to pay full out-of-state rates for academic scholarship students. All three proposals failed to win approval.

Democrats offered two amendments that also generated heated discussion: a proposal to remove state funding for anti-abortion Crisis Pregnancy Centers and a bid to restore money for Minority Economic Development. Neither of those proposals gained approval.

The budget plan is on the House Finance Committee agenda Wednesday morning and is expected on the House floor for full debate Wednesday at noon.

House Speaker Thom Tillis warned House members to expect a lengthy session. He said that, if the initial vote happens close to midnight, he may keep members there past midnight for the final vote to send the House package to the Senate and start the conference process.

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  • junkmail5 Jun 12, 2013

    Your Obamessiah claims that 40% of all gun sales are current done with no background checks whatsoever.- HockeyPlayerX

    No, the Brady folks do actually.

    And they actually have some data to support it (you can question the data- and should- the real number is probably not quite 40... but it's vastly more useful than the completely-made-up 2% you threw out)

    The pistol purchase permit is only as good as the person checking it (or not checking it). The only thing it does where private sales are concerned is to make sure that you pay a few extra bucks to the county. - HockeyPlayerX

    no... since most private sales require the permit (and say so in their ads, and in person) what the permit does is insure there was a background check done, even for private sales.

    In fact, that's the entire POINT of the system.

    You keep trying to paint the removal of the pistol purchase permit as the removal of background checks from all gun sales- HockeyPlayerX

    No, you're lying again. Private sale

  • HockeyPlayerX Jun 12, 2013

    "Your guarantee is pretty worthless, since it's not true."

    Your Obamessiah claims that 40% of all gun sales are current done with no background checks whatsoever.

    "Virtually 100% of ads for pistols explicitly list a permit as a requirement of the sale.

    For PRIVATE sales.

    Because that's the actual law, and most folks selling guns obey it."

    Wait...now I am confused. I said earlier that I conceded the point that you can purchase a handgun (any gun for that matter) from a private individual (not a gun dealer) without a background check. The only thing I said is that you can do that now. The pistol purchase permit is only as good as the person checking it (or not checking it). The only thing it does where private sales are concerned is to make sure that you pay a few extra bucks to the county.

    You keep trying to paint the removal of the pistol purchase permit as the removal of background checks from all gun sales, but it isn't working.

  • junkmail5 Jun 12, 2013

    But I can guarantee you this: to buy a gun on the street, you do NOT need a permit of any kind.- HockeyPlayerX

    Your guarantee is pretty worthless, since it's not true.

    Go hit up armslist.

    Virtually 100% of ads for pistols explicitly list a permit as a requirement of the sale.

    For PRIVATE sales.

    Because that's the actual law, and most folks selling guns obey it.

    Thus most folks buying that way have been through a background check.

    Remove the purchase permit and you remove the background check from all those sales.

  • junkmail5 Jun 12, 2013

    "That check vanishes for private purchase of pistols in state under the new law."

    Only if they are purchased from a private individual.- HockeyPlayerX

    yes. that's LITERALLY what I just said.

    And those types of sales...the ones that are done legally...make up what, 2-4% of all gun sales??- HockeyPlayerx

    what, private sales?

    try 40%

    .I have to get a pistol purchase permit (which the sheriff of my county can deny on a whim- HockeyPlayerX

    no, he can't. NC is a Shall Issue state. Unless you fail the background check you get the permit.

    Meanwhile, I can stroll into Gander Mountain and purchase a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun with no permit whatsoever. Does this really make sense?- HockeyPlayerX

    yes, it does. Because pistols are what are used in the VAST majority of crimes.

    In North Carolina...we won- HockeyPlayerX

    No, you cheated. Democrats got more votes, gerrymandering meant the minority-vote republicans got more seats.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 12, 2013

    juhnkmail-"That check vanishes for private purchase of pistols in state under the new law."

    Hockey-"Only if they are purchased from a private individual...not a gun dealer."

    The whole point of the argument. It's now going to be a whole lot easier to get handguns in NC. No fear of background checks unless you CHOOSE to go to a FFL dealer.

  • Plenty Coups Jun 12, 2013

    junkmail-"TODAY you can LEGALLY buy it "on the street" with a purchase permit. Which REQUIRES A BACKGROUND CHECK.
    After this law you can buy it on the street legally WITHOUT a background check at all."

    I don't think he gets it still.

    Get it??

  • HockeyPlayerX Jun 12, 2013

    "That check vanishes for private purchase of pistols in state under the new law."

    Only if they are purchased from a private individual...not a gun dealer. And those types of sales...the ones that are done legally...make up what, 2-4% of all gun sales?? Also, I'd like to point out, that currently...I have to get a pistol purchase permit (which the sheriff of my county can deny on a whim...because I am black? Hispanic? White? Gay? Straight?) to purchase a 6-shot .22 caliber revolver. Meanwhile, I can stroll into Gander Mountain and purchase a semi-automatic 12 gauge shotgun with no permit whatsoever. Does this really make sense?? Believe me, I am no gun grabber...but I don't understand the need for an arbitrary permit for buying one type of gun while others, some far more dangerous, do not require it. Dress right dress.

  • A Libertarian Jun 12, 2013

    hasbeen - France is the model coutry - youth unemployment is over 50% - riots on daily basis because people are starving. been in recession for longer than I remember, on and on. This is your best socialistic model - this is what you want to live. go right ahead. I will stick with capitialism.

  • HockeyPlayerX Jun 12, 2013

    "The past election showed theere now more socialists than capitialists. We lost."

    Nationally...we did lose. In North Carolina...we won. Yet, these folks are out protesting every single Monday wasting their time, and our tax dollars. Funny how that works, isn't it?

  • whatsupwiththat Jun 12, 2013

    I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT GUNS....NO RAISES FOR STATE EMPLOYEES??????

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