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Senate gives tentative OK to unemployment benefit cuts

Published: 2013-02-12 14:04:00
Updated: 2013-02-12 18:43:21

The state Senate on Tuesday gave key approval to a sweeping rewrite of North Carolina's unemployment system, including deep cuts to the size and duration of weekly jobless benefits.

The Senate voted 36-13 in favor of House Bill 4 on second reading. A final vote is expected Wednesday, after which the bill would go to Gov. Pat McCrory, who has already said he will sign it into law.

The bill cuts the maximum weekly unemployment benefit from $535 to $350 and replaces 26 weeks of state-paid benefits with a sliding cap of 12 to 20 weeks, based on the health of North Carolina's economy. It also slightly raises unemployment insurance taxes on employers.

Analysts said the changes, which would take effect July 1, would help the state repay $2.5 billion to the federal government three years faster than leaving the system unchanged. North Carolina borrowed the money to pay jobless benefits during the recession when state taxes paid by employers couldn't keep up with demand for benefits.

"(The bill) tries to take care of the unemployed, but in addition to that, it doesn't put an excessive burden on the employers," said Sen. Bob Rucho, R-Mecklenburg.

Senate Republicans easily defeated a series of Democratic amendments, including one by Sen. Martin Nesbitt, D-Buncombe, that would delay the changes until next January to avoid losing federal unemployment benefits for people who have been out of work for longer than six months.

The federal benefits were extended through the end of 2013 as part of the deal Congress passed on New Year's Day to avoid the so-called "fiscal cliff," but changing the state's unemployment program automatically voids that provision of the federal law.

Acting U.S. Secretary of Labor Seth Harris criticized the measure Monday, saying North Carolina would lose an estimated $780 million in benefits over the second half of the year, devastating tens of thousands of families and denting the state's economy.

Sen. Tommy Tucker, R-Union, said he didn't initially like the bill, but as a small business owner, he believes the unemployment changes are needed.

"I almost lost my business (in the recession)," Tucker said, noting he laid off 70 of his 104 employees.

With his business recovering – employment is back to 77 – he said he will pay $110,000 in unemployment taxes this year, and he doesn't want to see that amount grow in the coming years because of the state's unpaid debt.

"I want to get this monkey off business' back as soon as possible," he said.

Nesbitt and Sen. Josh Stein, D-Wake, argued that the state has options to repay the debt by late 2015 or early 2016 without sacrificing the federal benefits, such as issuing taxpayer anticipation notes in three years.

"What we're trading is a little extra in (federal unemployment) taxes, which goes back into our own pocket in 2016 for $780 million in benefits today," Stein said. "That is economic development for 170,000 people in 2013."

As their House counterparts did last week, Senate Democrats criticized what they say as a lack of balance in the bill, saying the unemployed would be shouldering most of the cost of repaying the debt.

"We're hurting our people," said Sen. Ellie Kinnaird, D-Orange. "We helped employers when they asked for help (by cutting tax rates), and now, why aren't we helping employees?"

Other amendments that were defeated would have eliminated the sliding scale for the duration of benefits, would have included exceptions for family hardships and would have called for benefits to revert to current levels once the debt had been repaid.

Sen. Floyd McKissick, D-Durham, even withdrew an amendment that would have set the maximum weekly benefit at $442 – halfway between the current $535 and the proposed $350 – and called on workers to pay a fee to help fund the change.

"I can see the handwriting on the wall," McKissick said.

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good move legislature. $500 a week is $26K a year and that is a lot more than annual minimum wage $18.2K

sure it's tough.......but that's a great motivator to get any job.

No, but when they went to 99 weeks and bankrupted the system now the money is all gone-Riddickfield

Uh, what?

the STATE never paid more than 26 weeks.

All the extended benefits are federal.

The reason the STATE is in debt is they undercharged the businesses for years, so the fund to pay those 26 weeks was far too small to deal with an uptick in the number of people unemployed.

You might wanna learn how what you're talking about works before talking about it.

Sorry you got the short end of the stick.

Riddickfield February 13, 2013 4:30 p.m.------------------------------------ Some of what you say is true, but the effort to recovery the over payment didn't happen. The business, still have to pay a portion to the Fed's funds, which has it stands, no on in NC will get any of it. Fact, the workers, who are the one suffering, will pay back this money, while business who can afford it, are getting off the hook big time. The business knew they were going to get an increase, (back to what they were paying), but this don't even bring them back to what they paid percentage wize three years ago. This is a bad deal for NC, and is nothing but a polictical statement by the Republican to show how much they're willing to sell out the citizens of NC for Corp. profits.

"I worked for 30 years straight without a break,I paid my taxes and gave where I could, this year I get laid off,,,and you telling me it is too much to help me with 525 a week for 26 weeks? tjohnson27"

No, but when they went to 99 weeks and bankrupted the system now the money is all gone. Now they have to tighten the belt because there is literally NO MORE MONEY IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM. If Bev had stuck with the original 26 week unemployment plan we would not have to take such measures now. The system was set up for that, but Bev bankrupted it to the tune of $2.5 billion in debt. Sorry you got the short end of the stick.

Why is it always the little guy who gets the shaft?

A sliding cap of 12 to 20 weeks!

Can you feel the GOP love? If you voted GOP, remeber that when times are tough and the morgage is past due. You have only yourself to blame.

before it's all over and done, most local Republicans are going to wish Bev Perdue was back in charge...

I can not take a job making $10 an hour and be able to pay my bills. And there is no one hiring in my mountain town with a 75 mile radius. I guess when this bill passes I will file for bankrupacy and someone else will have to foot that bill

Ever thought of trying to take more than one job? move to a place that is hiring? Are you kids getting financial aid or are you and your husband paying for all of college or some of it? Sacrifices have to be made in a awful economy. When the economy tanks and you lose your job your lifestly has to make drastic changes also. The goverment is not responsible for giving you enough money to sustain the lifestle you lived prior to losing your job

OK so they have done this to help NC, NOW let them rescind their raises most recently given and NOT give themselves another until the economy of NC is better. That's only fair.

How come you pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps people never get on people who get free health care in the ER? Your hero Ronald Reagan made it mandatory to treat them. By the posts I've read here, shouldn't it be tough luck for them if they have no money or insurance? Just looking for consistency.

We are paying to pick up trash, I saw a dot crew on I40 today,, bet they all were making 12.00 per hour or more,,, Put the chain gangs back on the road,,, let them in Jail work on the farms and raise their food,, Dont work Dont eat..Do away with the rec areas, tv and such, put them to work cutting grass, Something to earn their keep oleguy

I use to think that a good idea too. Until I found out how much it costs to put those gangs back on the road.

Republicans raising taxes on businesses? At least I agree that unemployment needs to be cut. To many people just sitting around collecting. Time to force them to get a job and not waiting for one that suits their wants.

I was laid off last April. I have applied for over 400 jobs and gotten 17 interviews. I want to work bad, but the jobs are just not there. When unemployment runs out, I will have to put my house up for sale. If it doesn't sell, foreclousure. With no job looks like I will be in the welfare and food stamp line with all the others.

I'm a 45 year old out of work retail manager who lost her job of $54500 last april. I have 2 children in college and a husband who makes $27000 annually. I draw the max on unemployment benfits. And I am barely able to make my monthly payments and but the necessities. I can not take a job making $10 an hour and be able to pay my bills. And there is no one hiring in my mountain town with a 75 mile radius. I guess when this bill passes I will file for bankrupacy and someone else will have to foot that bill.

If you thought the job losses due to outsourcing were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Automation is poised eliminate untold numbers of jobs at all levels. Particularly hard hit will be the kinds of low wage jobs some of you think the unemployed ought to rush out and get.

One example is cashiers. The lowly cashier is quietly going the way of the Dodo bird. Grocery stores, hardware stores and other retail stores are installing automated check out lines. In a few years, there may be no cashiers. This is only one example.

Many jobs can be automated and as soon as it becomes cost effective, they will be. As rapidly as technology is progressing and costs of implementing it are coming down, this process is likely to accelerate. The social fallout will outpace policy.

Many of the new industries touted at the recent emerging issues forum will not create many jobs because the plants will be automated. Technology is eliminating far more jobs than it creates.

" I have a son and daughter in college now working full time. And no, I'm not getting anything from the government."

This has to go up there with "Keep your government hands off my medicaid".

"I'll bet you don't have to pay excessive car insurance premiums for a teenage driver because the state of NC says you have to either."

@Starglow2005,

If my kids want to drive, they'll work to earn money to pay for their car insurance and fuel. I have a son and daughter in college now working full time. And no, I'm not getting anything from the government. I have since taken on a part-time job that nobody else wanted washing cars.

An idea, let the mccory cabinet members that just got raises pay extra taxes. Now just where in the Hamsandwich is all those jobs for all of the people that are unemployed ??? Everybody talking but nobody putting jobs where their mouth is. Speak a little louder we can't hear you!!! If the shoe was on the other foot, what would you do? Truth be told, some of y'all making all these comments would probably jump off a cliff if you lost your job or means of living simply because of the loss of your so called "status quo." Sad but true.

I think the elected officials should be paid minimum wage. They think you can live off that- let em try. To cut umemployment for so many will only hurt those that the system was designed to help. THEY get pay raises before they even start their jobs, yet have NO problem cutting other people's life-lines. Disgusting really.

Yeah...and I'll bet you don't have to pay excessive car insurance premiums for a teenage driver because the state of NC says you have to either. Add that to already high fuel costs and $289 per week won't even come close. starglow2005

Then your teenager can't afford to drive! If they are going to school, then ride the bus. If they are going to work....then they can pay thier own way.

A step in the right direction! Finally.

Great stop what little momentum there is in the economy by cutting off the ones who need it most. Time for a reality slap in the face for all the blind BO sheep who just keep on getting the hand outs. Get ready for the next wave of foreclosures and welfare lines. McCrory was handed the worst possible scenerio from the Obama clone Purdue and drove the good ole NC into the ground for the socialist agenda...... the horror the horror!

Republicans raising taxes on businesses? At least I agree that unemployment needs to be cut. To many people just sitting around collecting. Time to force them to get a job and not waiting for one that suits their wants.

This whole thing - and McCrory - are so ridiculous.

Here they give up ~800 MILLION in FED money that would be in the state economy - and cast out thousands from said economy.

You all think this will result in "jobs" for NC by reducing business taxes? LOL!

Let us see a business tax break based on creating jobs IN THE USA - and extra tax for those businesses that are "outsourcing" overseas. Bet you won't see that - not from the Republicans - nor the Democrats - because there is no difference between either of them - except for whom is paying them.

The "notion" that people on unemployment are "on the dole" is misguided. These are people that have worked hard - and their taxes have been payed. I could see cutting benefits for those that have been on unemployment for over a year - but for the new people?

Oh yea - the tax on food is a good idea too - I like McCrory's explanation that this is "equitable for everyone".

What a tragic joke this guy is - I think he will be recalled.

This is the worst possible decision. I have never liked the Republican philosophy to begin with but this takes the cake. I had a friend in Georgia that was capped at the $350 per week unemployment compensation. She did, however, get extended benefits. Despite this, she lost everything because $350 a week could not affort her car and house payments. This does not even include food, electric and other essentials that were necessary because she was laid off from her job. She lost all her personal savings as well as her retirement earnings. She is also an older person (50+), and we all know that it becomes much more difficult to find a new job with age. I can't believe that this legislation passed, and I can't even imagine what this will do to the NC economy. However, the Republicans have no problem voting themselves another raise. Disgusting!

unemployment is NOT A HANDOUT its a tax that your employer pays into the commission for you when the company you work for lays you off goes out of business or whatever as long as you did not quit or get fired and you cannot recieve foodstamps,medicade or wic while you are drawing unemployment because its more income than they allow which is somewhere around 500 dollars a MONTH depending on the county you live in. i work construction and from time to time i need unemployment benefits because here lately the economy slows work down so BEFORE YOU START SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF ABOUT THE MONEY THAT IS PAID IN FOR MY UNEMPLOYMENT FOR ME YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT like confucius says it is better to keep mouth shut and appear stupid rather than open it and remove all doubt

We are paying to pick up trash, I saw a dot crew on I40 today,, bet they all were making 12.00 per hour or more,,, Put the chain gangs back on the road,,, let them in Jail work on the farms and raise their food,, Dont work Dont eat..Do away with the rec areas, tv and such, put them to work cutting grass, Something to earn their keep

Having retired four years ago, my family was living on $289.00 per week. I was able to do make it, but I had to cancel cable, magazine subscriptions and cell phones. I had no problem at all. Proud Black Conservative

Yeah...and I'll bet you don't have to pay excessive car insurance premiums for a teenage driver because the state of NC says you have to either. Add that to already high fuel costs and $289 per week won't even come close.

Where do yawl think the money is being spent by the unemployed??? Now the GOP is raising taxes on the business unemployment tax... Who comes out ahead??? Salaries of the law makers...

Its not about poor americans,, It is about living within your means,,, the country is broke,,,Tighten up folks its gonna get worse,,, the gravy train is over,,, start taking control of your life...

What the legislature is trying to do is make it APPEALING for companies to come here and put people to work. Not make it less appealing and keep people on unemployment benefits forever. TVs_Deceit

No...what they're doing is just making it easier and much cheaper for corporate companies to lay off more NC workers and send those jobs to China and India for more profit while the execs laugh all the way to the bank to deposit their millions.

I worked for 30 years straight without a break,I paid my taxes and gave where I could, this year I get laid off,,,and you telling me it is too much to help me with 525 a week for 26 weeks?

All this compassion from the Christian Conservatives is SO touching, ain't it?

You see these caring, kind folks every Sunday, sittin' front and center with their halos flickering.....full of love for their fellow man!

"I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians....they are not like your Christ" Mahatma Gandhi

"Taxing the company who can better afford it, and who was the one who benefitting from taxes being too low that CAUSED the problem, makes a lot more sense."

It does if you don't have a clue how to manage and run a business

How about going back to all of those people who got checks that are now employed and ask them to pay back a small amount. Surely that would help instead of saddling employers with even more burden.

Good idea, let's raise taxes on companies so even MORE of them won't open in North Carolina and provide jobs. NOnono! Let's cut business taxes to zero. In fact, let's PAY them to locate here (or are we already doing that). But at least we can let businesses tax us. After all, as everyone knows, business just passes the tax on in prices. So if they can save money by taxing us, I'm sure the prices they charge will drop. So we'll save tons of money by letting businesses charge us for locating in our communities. We can cover their police/fire protection, train their workers, maintain roads, rails, airports and other infrastructure so they can sell their product cheaper. To Brazil.

Sorry, the bill has to be paid. Now, they are raising unemployment taxes on NC businesses too- Nancy

Yes. $21 per month on businesses. Who got to enjoy really low unemployment taxes for years, which is the CAUSE of the problem.

Versus a $200 a WEEK cut to the unemployed, who spend every dollar of that money in the local economy to cover their basic bills.

THAT seems fair.

No, wait, the opposite of that.

Dont give me this economic activity garbage. If these people habve been unemployed for how long and economic activity has been anemic at best. It doesnt wash.

Crumps, it's hard to prove anything without a blind study, and we can't do that in this case. In drug tsting, you have two or three groups receiving different treatments,, none knowing who is getting what treatment. Can you prove that the economy would have been better or worse without the extended unemployment benefits? Seems like you have a crystal ball since you know for a fact that the extended unemployment has been a failure. Of course, it's also possible the economy would have been even worse off without extended unemployment. Can you PROVE it would not have been worse? I doubt it. Anymore than I can prove definitely helped. I'll leave that one up to the economist. Not Fox News.

Obama says the private sector is doing just fine.....we are in a recovery..... Why is everyone concerned with unemployment benefits? Obama says jobs are abundant..... But, his agenda has made people lazy....now they believe welfare is a "right"....no one should work if they don't want to. They want unemployment pay forever..... They voted for Obama again and it's not fair that should be cut off benefits.....where' my check???

junkmail: "Taxing the company who can better afford it"

Good idea, let's raise taxes on companies so even MORE of them won't open in North Carolina and provide jobs.

What the legislature is trying to do is make it APPEALING for companies to come here and put people to work. Not make it less appealing and keep people on unemployment benefits forever.

The climate for job creation needs to be improved. Only then will recruiting companies work. As of now we're competing with state's that have a better business climate, and we're losing. The Legislature is trying to change that.

The Lawmakers can act on this pretty fast but when it comes to Illegals they sit on their hands. How many illegals are drawing off the system has anyone checked that? we paid for the unemployment and we should get full payment when we need it.

" They don't want the 10-14 hour days, working outside(rain, sleet, heat or snow). I only hire documented workers, but if they'll work I don't care if they swam across or not."

And it's been that way for 150 years. Who built the majority of the transcontinental railroad? Chinese immigrants - they worked cheap and worked hard. New York City's great bridges and tunnels? Irish and Italian immigrants. Chicago's? Germans and Poles. Yes, all of our ancestors. We just choose to ignore that fact.

Our ancestors were legal though. I'm good with that today. But the American contemporaries of our ancestors were just as disdainful of hot, dirty, long hour work as we are today. And cutting off the unemployment benefits of people who largely lost their jobs thru no fault of their own is just plain mean spirited and short sighted. Republicans simply cannot understand what these people are going thru, because Republicans have never been thru it. They are wildly out of touch.

happymom: "First, what would you suggest I do? Should I have shunted my kids into foster care?"

My grandparents did during the Great Depression. Why shouldn't you? My dad and aunt was sent to live with a relative on a farm as kids, and had to work their tails off. Other kids were sent other places until things got better and they could return home.

What you can do: 1. Check your thermostat, if it's above 65 degrees turn it down and put on more clothes. My house is about 60 degrees now, and often gets to close to 50 at night, so don't say it's too cold. And shut off as much of your house as possible and don't heat the extra rooms.

2. Double-up with another family in a home, or rent out rooms. I have 3 bedrooms, and at times every one has been rented while I stay in the living room.

3. Eat like the third-world does at times. Rice, and maybe some beans/peas, as your entire meal. Rice as a main course.

4. If you make car payments, sell/trade the car and get a cheap used one.. ect ect.

Dont give me this economic activity garbage. If these people habve been unemployed for how long and economic activity has been anemic at best. It doesnt wash

You are exactly right Nancy. I am afraid the worse is yet to come...

uscnnc: "A lot of those "illegals" are doing jobs, that legals think are below them."

Prove it. That's about as common a falsehood as there is out there. You have no proof for your claim, you're just parroting an excuse not to observe the law and keep your lower-than-market-price subsidized services.

You want illegal cheap under-the-table-paid labor because it saves you money under what you would pay if American's held those jobs.

I run a small business, I have close friends that run construction companies and landscaping companies. When we have openings, we advertise and interview and we can't hire your normal American worker, cause they want the $50k a year handed to them, without the hard worker that's involved. They don't want the 10-14 hour days, working outside(rain, sleet, heat or snow). I only hire documented workers, but if they'll work I don't care if they swam across or not.

"cutting the $ people have to spend via unemployment kills economic activity too.

Taxing the company who can better afford it, and who was the one who benefitting from taxes being too low that CAUSED the problem, makes a lot more sense."

Sorry, the bill has to be paid. Now, they are raising unemployment taxes on NC businesses too, and the feds are adding an additional increase as well until that $2.5 billion(remaining balance) is paid up.

Businesses pay state and federal unemployment taxes, they're getting hit too. Hit them too hard and it kills jobs. But that will happen when they're hit with the $2K per 30 hr/wk employees next year for the 'free' healthcare.....

And what better solution do you suggest? How do you pay back $2.9 billion plus interest to the feds for the extended unemployment benefits our state didn't have money for and still don't. We have to pay it back. How do you do that without taxing more (which kills economic activity)? Nancy

cutting the $ people have to spend via unemployment kills economic activity too.

Taxing the company who can better afford it, and who was the one who benefitting from taxes being too low that CAUSED the problem, makes a lot more sense.

"More unemployement is coming, when people do not have money to spend businesses go under"

Next year, all businesses with over 50 employees (except McD's which got a waiver, I think Walmart did too, from the feds) will have to pay $2K per employee that averages 30 hrs/week. That's for that 'free' health care from the feds.

You think that won't kill jobs? Watch.

Great, create more customers for Roses, Pope Variety and Dollar General. Follow the money and see the future of NC and who benifits.

uscnnc: "A lot of those "illegals" are doing jobs, that legals think are below them."

Prove it. That's about as common a falsehood as there is out there. You have no proof for your claim, you're just parroting an excuse not to observe the law and keep your lower-than-market-price subsidized services.

You want illegal cheap under-the-table-paid labor because it saves you money under what you would pay if American's held those jobs.

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