Raleigh, N.C. — Republican legislative leaders are crafting a package of changes to North Carolina's tax code that they say will stimulate economic growth, including slapping a 6 percent sales tax on groceries.
Lawmakers phased out the state sales tax on food in the late 1990s, saying that scrapping the 4 percent tax would give low-income families a needed break. Counties continue to collect a 2 percent food tax.
The GOP, which now controls the General Assembly, is pushing to lower the individual and corporate income tax and use a higher state sales tax applied to more things to make up for the lost income tax revenue. Food should be taxed, they say, because grocery spending is dependable.
Senate President Pro Tem Phil Berger said Wednesday that the state's current tax model dates to the 1930s and doesn't really fit to North Carolina's changing economy. So, tax reform is critical to the state's future.
"It's important for us in terms of our competitive posture with other states," he said. "It's important for us in terms of making sure we have a fair allocation of the cost of government across the spectrum of economic activity."
Details of the tax reform package are likely to be rolled out later this month, but the prospect of a higher sales tax on food already leaves many shoppers with a bad taste in their mouths.
"Food is high enough now. Everything is taxed – taxes here, taxes there," Phyllis Branch said Thursday. "We've got to eat, so they kind of got us in a bind."
Raising the sales tax on food from 2 percent to 8 percent would add $312 to the annual grocery bill for someone who spends $100 a week on food at the supermarket.
"It's not a progressive tax, where those at the higher end pay more and those at the lower end pay less," said Bill Rowe, general counsel and director of advocacy for the left-leaning North Carolina Budget and Tax Center. "Everybody's paying the same amount, and so, if you're of modest means, you're going to be paying a lot more in taxes that way."
Republican lawmakers contend that those costs will be offset by lower income taxes. Rowe notes, however, that many low-income families don't owe any state income tax, so they won't benefit from a cut.
"It just really appears to be making up for cuts for folks at the higher end and corporations, which really does strike me as being a very unfair way to go," Rowe said.




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If you lower state taxes, it's a non-issue.
January 18, 2013 4:58 p.m.
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January 18, 2013 4:33 p.m.
NC's income tax rates range from 6 to 7.75% of TAXABLE income (in other words, your net tax burden will always be less than 6%.
They are talking about raising the sales tax to over 8%, and grossly broadening the types of consumption that the tax applies to, so the net result is that most of you who live paycheck to paycheck will spend closer to 8% in taxes.
Remind me again why you support this?
January 18, 2013 4:22 p.m.
rocket"
No, it's the placing the highest tax(as a share of income) burden on those who can afford it least that is unfair. Nope January 18, 2013 3:08 p.m. Report abuse
All you two party sheep vote for tax increases yearly. You do know what an inflation tax is correct? You two party Federal Reserve loving minions vote for your own tax increases everytime you vote for anyone the support the Federal Reserve. Yes thats all the Obama/Romney voters. Thanks for the tax hike AGAIN!
January 18, 2013 4:14 p.m.
Just asking.
January 18, 2013 4:12 p.m.
Nissan moved to Tennessee because it got $197.6 million in special tax breaks and incentives from the state and local governments in exchange for making the move.
January 18, 2013 4:04 p.m.
And what does that have to do with anything?
January 18, 2013 3:58 p.m.
Ah yes, the "prebate".
You do realize that the "prebate" turns the "fair tax" into just another progressive tax scheme, right? The only thing you are changing is the point of collection.
Oh, and the 23% figure is inaccurate. It's actually closer to 29%.
Oh, and people in the 15% tax bracket do not pay 15% of gross in taxes. They don't pay even close to 15%.
Interesting exercise for you: figure the net tax burden as a percentage of gross for a family of four, father is the sole earner and earns $60,000 per year, taking only standard deductions and credits (i.e. no mortgage deduction, etc.)
(Helpful hint: their net federal income tax burden is slightly over 2% of gross). Add in payroll taxes and he's at slightly below 10% of gross.
Still think 23% would be an improvement?
January 18, 2013 3:56 p.m.
So you think $150K is well off?
"Because its a regressive tax."
No more regressive than Clothing Tax, Gasoline Tax, liquor tax, so its a mute point.
January 18, 2013 3:55 p.m.
And to be revenue neutral, it would have to be set at around 29%.
This is the fallacy that you guys buy into. You think that it will somehow magically reduce your taxes. It won't, not by a long shot.
It will reduce MY taxes, because I already pay (actually pay) more than 29% in federal income tax. If you pay less than 29% (and that is the vast majority of you), a "Fair" tax will INCREASE your tax burden.
January 18, 2013 3:34 p.m.
January 18, 2013 3:25 p.m.
But taxes increase the cost to produce goods. Therefore the supply and demand curves shifts across the board. At least for American companies. End result, prices go up.
January 18, 2013 3:24 p.m.
yes, they generally do.
Business owners for example get massively more direct benefit from the public roads and infrastructure that allow their goods and customers to reach them.
Rich people in general get FAR more benefit from the legal system both in enforcing contracts and public safety since they have far more to lose
They benefit more from the education system since they have educated workers to be hired
They benefit more from military spending as, again, they have more to lose.
and on and on...
January 18, 2013 3:23 p.m.
Their customers would follow, which in turn would free up more money we won't be paying to support them. Remember the huge middle finger from the poor poor pitiful, hardworking, child-cherishing poor as they spent EBT funds at strip joints? Gone! Our taxes could be lowered as the free gimmes were not needed. Crime would drop. Our beautiful state would be repopulated with people who have self-respect, not the "self-esteem" their "community" told them they deserve.
January 18, 2013 3:10 p.m.
rocket"
No, it's the placing the highest tax(as a share of income) burden on those who can afford it least that is unfair.
January 18, 2013 3:08 p.m.
See how much you love it when you realize you have a lot less no matter how you allocate.
January 18, 2013 3:06 p.m.
Let's use a 10% tax rate for easy math.
If you make 10,000, you will pay 1,000 in taxes.
If you make 100,000, you will pay 10,000 in taxes.
If you make 1,000,000, you will pay 100,000 in taxes.
This way everybody has some skin in the game and the takers on welfare won't be demanding more entitlements if they know their taxes will go up to pay for the entitlements.
With the current system, the takers on welfare want more and more entitlements because they know it doesn't affect them because they don't pay taxes. It's easy to ask for things when you know somebody else will pay for it.
January 18, 2013 3:05 p.m.
Alaska also has a population less than that of the Triangle.....
January 18, 2013 3:04 p.m.
Go under "housing" on Craigslist and see how many people offer food stamps for a room to live in.
January 18, 2013 3:04 p.m.
January 18, 2013 3:03 p.m.
I'm one of the well off so clearly you are wrong (again). This change helps the rich and hurts almost everyone else and thats why its wrong. If being poor is so great why don't you give it a try? :)
January 18, 2013 3:02 p.m.
That's why there has been a wide scale migration from these high tax states to states with lower taxes.
The takers on welfare are destroying this country, one welfare check at a time.
January 18, 2013 3:01 p.m.
becuase its different when they do it, ya silly! Democrats are the party of txes, freebies, and double standards, they like double standards the best, right behind taxes
January 18, 2013 3:01 p.m.
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January 18, 2013 2:59 p.m.
so are they all despicable and evil? if not then what % is? And why would you punish those that are not because of the sins of others. I have no issues with clamping down on welfare fraud but see no reason to make the lives of the poor worse because a minority abuse it.
January 18, 2013 2:58 p.m.
Typical liberal response. If you can't debate or disprove the point you attack the poster who made the point that disproves your position.
January 18, 2013 2:58 p.m.
The poor are noted for choosing junk food. Put that at their door, not mine. How 'bout a hot, nutritious, pot roast? It calls for a very cheap cut of meat and some root vegetables. Almost no effort, unless it hurts the poor to brown the meat and cube the vegetables.
January 18, 2013 2:57 p.m.
Typical taker attitude.
The posting was intending that the able bodied on welfare who choose not to work should be paying taxes.
You're typical liberal response was an extreme response to justify your opinion that takers shouldn't be paying taxes.
January 18, 2013 2:56 p.m.
And what say you about the problem of stagnation of capital? Do these proposals increase or decrease that phenomenon?
January 18, 2013 2:56 p.m.
January 18, 2013 2:54 p.m.
Nissan specifically said the lack of the state income tax was the a deciding factor they chose to relocate their corporate headquarters from California to Tennessee when they looked at several locations nationwide.
January 18, 2013 2:51 p.m.
Good Lord. Not sure how many "conservatives" seem to have such a misunderstanding of how capitalism works.
Say you own a business. If you can increase your profit by raising your prices, what do you do? Simple - raise your prices. Every business leader already does this and does not wait for the government to make tax decisions. Products are already priced such that the business makes a maximum profit. That is the whole idea of "Supply and demand". If a business could just raise prices and "pass along" the costs to customers without hurting sales, they would have already raised their prices and just pocketed the extra profit.
January 18, 2013 2:51 p.m.
Are they proposing that this will be revenue neutral? If so, how? If not, what are they proposing to cut to make up the difference?
This is one of those emotional soundbite things that sounds good (like the "Fair" Tax) until you start digging into the details and find that it's smelly.
January 18, 2013 2:50 p.m.
yes. the well off still have a lower burden. I know, I'm one of them.
January 18, 2013 2:47 p.m.
I do. There are 7 states which have no income tax at all - Alaska, Texas, Nevada, South Dakota, Washington and Wyoming.
Alaska is a unique case, as it collects truckloads of oil taxes and distributes them to the citizenry. It is currently facing a budget deficit, and is one of the largest net recipients of federal spending.
Texas has a monster structural deficit, and has tried to address this by cutting services, chiefly education, to the bone.
Nevada?? Worst unemployment in the country. Enough said.
South Dakota also has a large budget deficit, and is a large net recipient of federal spending.
Investigate fees in Washington and Wyoming. It's not that they don't collect. It's just how they collect it and who they collect it from.
January 18, 2013 2:46 p.m.
yeah and I saw flying pigs last week so we need to have patriot missile batteries to stop that too.....
January 18, 2013 2:46 p.m.
I made no claims re that subject so why should I do your work to disprove your claims???? are the right always this lazy? Please show that this would in fact improve the economy or stop claiming that it will.
January 18, 2013 2:45 p.m.
January 18, 2013 2:42 p.m.
Yup, that's it in a nutshell, the redistribution mindset is so strong that anything that doesn't penalize the "rich" (successful, able to take care of their own needs without government) is just unfair (stamping feet and jutting out lower lip)!
January 18, 2013 2:42 p.m.
really? so babies should pay taxes, the elderly dying in hospital??? So no, everyone should not be paying taxes.
January 18, 2013 2:42 p.m.
Then as you go outside, you see this individual putting the groceries, beer, and cigarettes in the trunk of a new or almost new car.
Seems if they have money for the beer, cigarettes, and car; they have the money to pay for their groceries without government assistance.
January 18, 2013 2:41 p.m.
LOL Alaska and Texas live on Oil revenues, Nevada on gambling so we are down to Tennessee. Now show that its lack of a State income tax that is responsible for any prosperity it has. Bet you can't.
January 18, 2013 2:37 p.m.
You may not be aware of this but in NC, the only assets counted when qualifying a person for Medicaid are: one house, one car, $2000 cash. You can have aaaallllllll the gold jewelry your toddler can wear, all the electronics, TVs, video games, Netflix memberships, etc., as you please. The takers teach each other these tricks to lie, cheat and steal. I've seen (anecdotal) stories where they come right out and say they buy the toddler gold chains, that can be sold later for cash, as a way to hide cash from Social Services. Some of the greediest, most despicable, evil people in the world are "the disenfranchised."
January 18, 2013 2:36 p.m.
rocket
Thats the consensus, in addition it is also beleived that those who do make more money got that money by robbing and stealing or were lucky enough to be born into it, and thus dont deserve any of it.
I wish I could give a rip about what other people do with their own money. But it's their money and their business so I dont.
January 18, 2013 2:34 p.m.
January 18, 2013 2:34 p.m.
Do the wealthy consume more of the services provided by the state? No, but they pay more in total taxes. Is that fair?
January 18, 2013 2:28 p.m.