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Gun bill would allow restaurant carry, make permit holders confidential information

Posted January 30, 2013

— The first firearms-related measure to be filed this session would allow concealed handgun permit holders to bring their guns into restaurants where alcohol is served.

House Bill 17, "Gun Permits/Restaurants & Confidentiality," would also remove information regarding who has a concealed handgun permits from the list of information government collects that is a public record.

The lead sponsor on the measure if Rep. Justin Burr, R-Stanly. 

"A great majority of states already permit that," Burr said of the restaurant carry provision. "I believe the more locations a concealed carry permit holders are able to carry their weapon versus leaving it in a vehicle, the better."

Gun rights advocates pushed for a restaurant carry bill last session, saying that establishments that serve alcohol are spots where law abiding gun owners are vulnerable to criminals. Also last year, WRAL News used limited information from the concealed handgun database to allow users to look up how many permit holders lived on their street.

Asked about the public information provision of the bill, Burr said it has been a concern of his for some time.

"When I first elected four years ago, I remember getting an email from some random person that sent me all of my information they were able to get off the concealed weapons permit holder database," Burr said.

Currently, the state Department of Justice will make the database available to anyone who requests it. The database includes home address, phone numbers, physical descriptors and other information. 

Burr said that gun permits were different from other sorts of permits, such as county registries of who owns what car or real estate.

"I don't see that as necessarily being a right," Burr said. "There's not an amendment in the constitution saying you have a right to a car or things such as that."

On the Senate side, top leaders say they have not discussed whether any gun-related legislation will move.

"We're not there yet," Sen. Tom Apodaca, R-Henderson, said. "That's neither yea nor nay. We just haven't discussed it."

The gun rights root, Grass Roots North Carolina, plans a rally outside the legislature on Feb. 5. Among other things, the group has called for state law to be changed so that teachers with concealed handgun permits could carry weapons to the classroom.

Top legislative leaders have said that gun issues were not a top priority for lawmakers this year.

"I'm not one who thinks that arming teachers i the right solution," House Speaker Thom Tillis said Tuesday in response to a question about gun rights legislation. "I think it would be more likely that we would get tougher on anyone who commits a crime who uses a weapon."

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  • ekscholl Jan 31, 7:05 p.m.

    Thank You NC General Assembly! Finally some gun legislation that makes sense. To all those that don't like this: You know there are plenty of other states you can move to...why don't you go promote your gun-grabbing agendas there?

  • junkmail5 Jan 31, 5:54 p.m.

    Is the bartender/server going to be required to do a patdown before serving?? How silly! -goldenosprey

    You're right, that's incredibly silly.

    It's illegal to drink and carry at the same time.

    So why in the world would you think someone who was going to ignore THAT law would OBEY the one that said they can't carry where they SERVE drinks?

    That would make no sense at all, so surely you don't mean that!

    Oh good lord. What nonsense. That is kinda like saying we should change our drunk driving laws so that you can hold a beer while driving, you just can't drink it- Bill0

    Uh, you CAN hold a beer while driving. It just can't be opened.

    Mainly though this law is so you can go eat a steak at Outback without having to leave the gun in the car where it's more likely to be stolen just because somebody else 40 feet away is drinking a beer under the same roof.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 1:15 p.m.

    goldenospry and bill0 as I indicated..please re read the last line of my post.

  • bill0 Jan 31, 12:00 p.m.

    "The provision may allow one to carry a concealed weapon into an establisment where alcohol is consumed if passed. However, the concealed carrier WILL NOT be authorized to consume alcohol while in the possession of a concealed weapon. One or the other kinda thing."

    Oh good lord. What nonsense. That is kinda like saying we should change our drunk driving laws so that you can hold a beer while driving, you just can't drink it. That kind of nonsense is so unenforcable that nobody should be fooled by it.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 10:42 a.m.

    Also, for the lower informed folks out there who keep crying about "gun and alcohol don't mix" garbage. Know this. The provision may allow one to carry a concealed weapon into an establisment where alcohol is consumed if passed. However, the concealed carrier WILL NOT be authorized to consume alcohol while in the possession of a concealed weapon. One or the other kinda thing. Wake up people....educate yourselves.

  • littleriver69 Jan 31, 10:33 a.m.

    Hey, I like the idea more everyday!! Hope it passes.

  • watchman Jan 31, 10:12 a.m.

    I am sure there are plenty of ccw permit holders that already carry their weapons into restaurants! No one knows because the are CONCEALED! We haven't seen or heard any of these permit holders going crazy in a drunken state shooting up the local eatery! If a non gun supporter doesn't know weapons aren't there the world is all sunny!! All the gun laws that are passed, they will not stop the criminals from getting guns and committing crimes against the unaware. The people using the weapons are the problem, no consequences in their life and parents that think their child does no wrong it the problem! Lets take some responsibility of our actions, worry about ourselves and not force the people that live a law biding life be effected by those that will never make anything of themselves in life and commit crimes, do drugs, not work and wait for handouts. Stop letting lazy people be lazy and they will be forced to get a job and I will get to work less hours! But until then.... Your welcome!

  • GravyPig Jan 31, 9:17 a.m.

    "If alcohol and driving don't mix... I can't possibly see how alcohol and guns would."

    They don't. Just as with anything (car, machine shop press, etc) that can cause serious injury or death, you just don't mess with it if you are impaired.

    "Gun rights advocates pushed for a restaurant carry bill last session, saying that establishments that serve alcohol are spots where law abiding gun owners are vulnerable to criminals."

    People are vulnerable to criminals everywhere. No place is safe. Are there places where you might be more likely to encounter criminals? Sure. If you feel unsafe at such an establishment then why go there?

  • brianwilson1032 Jan 31, 8:32 a.m.

    here is a great example of someone with a Concealed Carry Handgun Permit. He uses judgment and decides not to shoot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvOOdk2nlg

  • Offshore Jan 30, 9:22 p.m.

    Its a comfort to me to know that when the gun nerd accidently shoots me he will have his permit revoked.
    Mr. Middle of the Road

    Freedom of press allows you to speak your mind, unfortunately your comments are uneducated. Why don't you take a ccp class and see what exactly those of us who have taken the class go through to get the permit. Talk is cheap. Expand your horizons and see what you don't know. That goes for any of you who refer to ccp carriers as "gun nuts".

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