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Senate passes Voter ID bill
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Groups mobilize against voter ID proposal

Published: 2013-01-23 12:06:00
Updated: 2013-01-23 19:31:40

A group of left-leaning organizations said Wednesday that requiring voters to present photo identification at the polls would "stack the deck" against fair and open elections in North Carolina.

Republican legislative leaders say they plan to consider a voter ID bill when the General Assembly reconvenes next week. The GOP-controlled legislature passed an ID bill in 2011 that was vetoed by former Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue. New Republican Gov. Pat McCrory has said he supports an ID requirement for voting.

The NAACP, the American Civil Liberties Union, Democracy North Carolina, the Southern Coalition for Social Justice and other groups are mobilizing to oppose the legislation. They have launched the ProtectOurVoteNC.com website for people to lobby lawmakers and share stories of how an ID law would hurt them, and they plan to start airing anti-voter ID public service announcements across the state this weekend.

"Why is this on the agenda at all?" Rev. William Barber, state president of the NAACP, said at a news conference. "North Carolina elections are working."

Barber noted that GOP lawmakers, including Rep. Paul Stam, R-Wake, backed a 2003 law that called for voters to provide their signature to attest their identity under penalty of a felony charge. No one has shown that the law isn't working, he said.

"There's no epidemic" of voter fraud, he said. "It's an overstatement to call it minuscule."

Rep. Harry Warren, R-Rowan, said North Carolina needs more than books of signatures to ensure elections are fair.

"I don't think the signature statute holds muster to what the people out there want," said Warren, who is drafting a voter ID bill for the coming session. "We took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and part of that is protecting the integrity of the vote."

Bob Hall, executive director of Democracy North Carolina, estimated that anywhere from 100,000 to more than 500,000 of the 6 million registered voters in the state don't have a photo ID. Blacks are 40 percent more likely than whites to fall in that group, he said, adding that seniors, women and young voters also would be disproportionately affected by an ID law.

"Why does the state want to spend millions of dollars to put up a stupid barrier for people who are legitimate voters?" Hall said.

Previous voter ID proposals haven't addressed people who cast mail-in absentee ballots, and Hall noted those voters are more likely to be Republican.

"The Republican Party is trying to use the political process – to manipulate the political process – for their own advantage, and that's wrong," he said.

Barber, Hall and others said lawmakers should instead use federal Help America Vote Act funds to help county elections officials beef up training and staffing at the polls. Also, they said, the state should invest in computerizing national voting records and back efforts for national voting standards.

"We want integrity (in elections), and we have supported things that would bring integrity," Barber said. "Let the elections be broad and open, and let the chips fall where they may. Don't stack the deck ... with voter ID and claim we've have a fair and free election."

Warren said he wants a bill that's fair and balanced but understands not everyone will be happy with it.

"In the final analysis, we'll have a good photo ID bill that will protect integrity of the vote and address concerns these groups are expressing," he said.

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History has proven that when more of a population votes Democrats tend to win, and when voter turnout is low Republicans tend to win. This is the factual basis behind respective positions.

Crumps - don't confuse Florida with North Carolina. Two separate States, two separate Electoral Systems... Anyways, the "issue" with Florida was whether or not ballots that had already been cast should go through a re-count, not whether or not there was fraud. Don't confuse the two States nor the two issues...

Danny22 - Linda Lyons recently plead GUILTY to the voter-fraud charges and is now serving probation... In fact, the whole incident proves that the existing works to identify Voters that may try to vote fraudulently...

"Every time I vote, I think about how easy it would be to impersonate another voter."

Which is why we need to give BOE access to DMV Photo Records... Making a citizen produce ID is opportunity for Fraud (who didn't have a fake ID in college???)

I am confused by those who are arguing that it is a poll tax.. I submit that 98% of individuals already have a traditional Government picture ID.. the other 2%.. I am all for a non-driver ID card (which requires proof of identity) being issued by DMV free of cost.. there.. problem solved.. they have 2 years to get to the office to get it.. they have to go out to vote.. or get a stamp to mail in the ballot anyway.. DMV license office exist across the state.. so there is no financial burden..

Whats the next argument.. that the gas used to go to the poll is a tax? the founding fathers didnt have an issue with requiring travel to the polling place 100 years ago.. they didnt see this as a tax then. (had to feed the horses).. so why would it be a tax now..

"Do you HONESTLY think they are going to tell the truth if they are illegal? If you do, you have to be one of the most gullible people in NC."

Paranoia, the destroyer...

During the 2010 election, a public official in my county tried to vote twice. She said she "forgot she had already voted." Yeah, right. It was publicized in the local paper but she got by with it because of who she was.

Every time I vote, I think about how easy it would be to impersonate another voter.

We is the GOP proposing to spend money we don't have to combat an issue that can easily be fixed by giving BOE access to DMV Photo Records??? Why go through such an huge ordeal when we can implement the systems we already have in place???

Oh, maybe b/c this isn't about making the elections "clean"???

jcarroll::::Maybe because they have everyone's best interests at heart.

OK, do you know me? Have any idea who I am other than another poster on here? Either way you answer, PLEASE, please tell me what MY "best interests" are. Explain that one for me, please. And do it in detail. Nobody has been able to tell me yet what MY "best interests" are, and I've asked the question a number of times, no one has an answer for me yet. I have all ideas you either CAN'T or WON'T.

Funny how when Bush won his 2nd term, the leftists were screaming voter fraud! Now that Obama has won his 2nd term, the problem "doesn't exist". Wow!!!! mxteam44

Is different when they do it. Their hypocrisy wont let them see their double standards anymore.

junkmail::::http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/10/1160216/-Republicans-Fail-at-Arithmetic-Again-Trying-to-Claim-Voter-Fraud

You want someone to trust that birdcage liner, liberal rag for good information? Now, I udnerstand why you have the mindset you do.

I think if a person doesn't have a id heres a solution if you register GOP and have no id then that party should pay for it and the same for Dems then no problem since both parties have so much money wwingard

Great idea. The opposition to fixing this simple problem is puzzling. Why are dems against it? They love giving away stuff if it gives them a chance to pander. There is more too this than we are being told

Corgimim::::There are MILLIONS of Americans that go through life with no picture ID most of them poor and/or minorities.

Ok, say that's true. How do they cash their checks, get their meds, get their benefits, get to see a doctor, or do any of the things that require an ID to do? You are blowing smoke, along with the other libs posting on here. I am poor, elderly, and have enough of a blood line to declare myself either Black or Native American. I have no problems with getting ID OR showing it.I don't need or want anyone to feel sorry for me, and I don't want anyone blowing smoke at me just because I don't have a problem with the ID issue. And just because I don't think as the libs prefer does NOT make me wrong or you right.

I think if a person doesn't have a id heres a solution if you register GOP and have no id then that party should pay for it and the same for Dems then no problem since both parties have so much money

issymayake::::1) Has anyone ever seen an illegal alien at their voting precinct?

Do you HONESTLY think they are going to tell the truth if they are illegal? If you do, you have to be one of the most gullible people in NC.

I've worked at elections for several years. The amount of people that come in begging for us to check ID's grows each year - and it crosses party lines. Elections need integrity. But a greater "fraud" that permeates elections is the manipulation of the weakest among us. Time after time after time, the senile, the mentally handicapped are brought in by a "helper" that is oh, so willing to mark their ballot for them. Don't get me wrong, I know there are many, many capable people with such challenges that are very able to discern their candidate and are exercising their right to vote, with needed assistance. But there are many that are being used.

I just can't, for the life of me, understand how showing an ID that proves you are who you say you are, is a bad thing? mxteam44

Because in most states 5-10% of the population have no such ID.

And since it would be illegal to charge them for it as a voting requirement you'd have to give them a free one.

Which isn't really free, it'd cost millions to taxpayers, per state.

All to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

Which is an incredibly stupid plan and a waste of money.

Funny how when Bush won his 2nd term, the leftists were screaming voter fraud! Now that Obama has won his 2nd term, the problem "doesn't exist". Wow!!!!

starkstrotman::::Either change and get with the future or refuse to reform or change and your part will die in the past...

In other words, vote and think they way YOU say or we are nothing. Sorry, bubba, it doesn't work that way. I have a mind and do very well thinking for myself. You might want to try it sometime, instead of toeing your party line

That's why the guy in PA who got it passed outright stated he had "secured the state for Mitt Romney"

Didn't Obama win PA?

Everybody who doesn't have a drivers license should get a FREE, FREE as the wind government issued picture ID. This will make the poor and disadvantaged feel like they are part of society, help them avoid fraud, and make sure they vote ONE time as thmeselves. Who can be against that?

What is it you naysayers have to hide?

If Barber is against it, then I am for it!

I just can't, for the life of me, understand how showing an ID that proves you are who you say you are, is a bad thing?

Why don't we just let people stay home on voting day and telephone their local precinct with their vote? Thats no more insecure than forgoing ID presentation at the voting line.

Legal law abiding citzens should have problems whatsoever about presenting ID to vote, get medicine, get food stamps, write a check or anything else. Actually anybody with common sense and nothing to hide should DEMAND IT! People's identity are being stolen every day. What are you afraid of fat Barber? What have you got to hid fat daddy????

Voter Id is not meant to discourage or limit voting by anyone.- Ladyofthehouse

Of course it is. EXPLICITLY so.

That's why the guy in PA who got it passed outright stated he had "secured the state for Mitt Romney" by pushing it through, because he knew it'd lock out elderly and minority voters.

Not having voter id requirements is the reason a town in Ohio had approximately 1,300 registered citizens yet had approximately 1,800 votes cast! It's dirty, it's slanted , it's where America is headed....just like those countries that can't have legitimate voting systems! WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!! lschwarz62

Except of course that didn't actually happen.

Mostly crazy republicans misunderstood some voting results, and without bothering to CHECK the story just started to yell about fraud, despite there being no evidence of it.

I remember during the seventies, eighties and nineties, having to present a driver's license to the pole worker in order to receive a ballot. I do not recall when this practice was discontinued but I also don't recall any issues with voter fraud during those days. Carrying and presenting a legitimate form of photo ID is not a deterrent to voting nor is obtaining one a difficulty for any law abiding citizen.

Based on past history, If Barber is for it, count me in against it. Saves a lot of time and trouble.

Voter Id is not meant to discourage or limit voting by anyone. It seems to me that all sides of this argument would want every vote to be legitimate. Whether our candidate wins or loses don't we want to know that the count was accurate and honest. I recently had to show picture ID to go to a medical specialist. My primary physician's office photocopied my license for my file. We have to show picture ID for some medicines, to cash a check, and many other reasons. If people are offended by showing a picture ID to vote it makes me wonder what they are trying to hide. It would only take a second to show your ID and move along to vote. Our 91 year old Mother had a photo ID issued by the NC DMV so that she could conduct business. It's not that hard. People get out to go to the doctor, buy groceries and other things I believe they could get an ID without it being an undue hardship. Voting is too important to take it lightly.

"Only people who are breaking the law to begin with have an issue with this."

Actually, about 10% of NC legal residents don't have photo ID. The VAST majority of them are just old people who stopped driving. That is why republicans are currently re-writing the voter ID bill to include other types of ID. It finally dawned on them that a lot of these old people are registered republicans.

How can any sane, rational person be against a requirement to prove it is indeed You, that is casting your one and only precious vote? My parents received a letter from a political organization last October, before the election, stating they knew they had voted the election before and urged them to vote again this election. The only problem was neither of them voted in the last election...

"Why is this on the agenda at all?" Rev. William Barber, state president of the NAACP, said at a news conference. "North Carolina elections are working."

Because Mr. Barber, we aren't in the stone age anymore and we are in post 9-11. Photo ID's are the norm for many things now and I have no issue w/a required photo ID for voting. Only people who are breaking the law to begin with have an issue with this. Personally I don't care one way or the other if we have one ..... but if having one further legitimizes (yes a big word there) the system then I see no problem with doing this.

Nephesh-"And as for links, Dnut, it's been my experience, especially here today on this story, that no matter what links one shares, someone will pu-pu them, so why bother."

Sorry. Your links don't support what you claim.

Interesting that they are against voter ID when these same people are going to have to prove who they are to get on Medicaid with the ACA act. Furthermore, health insurance companies require you produce a valid ID also. If you need an ID to get psuedophedrine over the counter, then I would think that isn't such an imposition. Heck they have over a year to get one. They spend more than $5 on lottery tickets (don't remember the NAACP protesting that), booze and ciggies, so their excuse is baseless.

Using the argument Of that I am who I say I am is unjust. Is without basis. We've had enough Chicago and Florida elections. You people slay me with these arguments. Sue the victim. Is your logic.

Dnut: "Well, they should have absolutely no issues with those who would like to restrict gun ownership to only those with a verified IQ of above, oh, 120. You;d need at least a certain level of intelligence to know how to safely store, handle and secure a firearm."

It's a good idea, IMO, but it's going to knock out at least 99% of the regulars here on the comments areas. :-)

...those who aren't here LEGALLY don't have the right to vote. Exactly! What is Mr. Barbour trying to do? Support the illegal populace in the same way Pueblo does? If you are here LEGALLY, you have nothing to fear.

And as for links, Dnut, it's been my experience, especially here today on this story, that no matter what links one shares, someone will pu-pu them, so why bother.

Dnut - "Not having voter id requirements is the reason a town in Ohio had approximately 1,300 registered citizens yet had approximately 1,800 votes cast! It's dirty, it's slanted , it's where America is headed....just like those countries that can't have legitimate voting systems! WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!! lschwarz62 .......Got a link of some sort to prove this? Not saying it's not true, just want to read for myself..."

Are YOU incapable of using the great www to research things?

webpauls - "How many problems would it solve if we required photo ID on food stamp cards?"

On applying for them or on using them?

You do need photo ID plus a lot of other paperwork to apply for welfare benefits and food stamps. Your residency and financial information is checked for accuracy.

If you mean before someone can use them to purchase something, those that cheat with them would just find some other way to cheat.

I think registering should include a license, a background check, and a mental evaluation. Plus a five day wating period and a limitation on the number of races you can vote on.

Woho2u " So you must test every drop of water coming from your sink to check its "integrity" even if there is ZERO EVIDENCE to suggest it is anything but water? Do you check all bills given to you to make sure they are not counterfeit? How about measuring the gas you pay for to ensure it is the exact quantity? All those possible problems happen more than voter fraud."

Perhaps partly true, but none of these lead to the destruction of the American Way of Life, like stealing elections. There is more at stake with elections than bad tasting water...

Grand Onion: "and this very white, very male, very well paid, very high taxpaying landowning is also against ID until such time as first you show there is even a problem that need fixing"

Gand union " rights are things only the Right think they should have.....the rest of us are just a source of cheap disposable labor."

Sounds like you claim to be both well paid and a source of cheap labor. Which is it? Or is both, just depending on the argument you are trying to win?

Not having voter id requirements is the reason a town in Ohio had approximately 1,300 registered citizens yet had approximately 1,800 votes cast! It's dirty, it's slanted , it's where America is headed....just like those countries that can't have legitimate voting systems! WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!! lschwarz62 .......Got a link of some sort to prove this? Not saying it's not true, just want to read for myself...

I like that 2nd Amendment argument all of our buddies who favor an ID to vote are so adamant about. Well, they should have absolutely no issues with those who would like to restrict gun ownership to only those with a verified IQ of above, oh, 120. You;d need at least a certain level of intelligence to know how to safely store, handle and secure a firearm. Yep! Sounds fine to me. I mean, after all, unless you have something to hide, why would you oppose a law requiring you have some intelligence to own a weapon? RadioDJ ..........Because the second amendment has been infringed and limited enough as it is, THAT'S WHY!

How many problems would it solve if we required photo ID on food stamp cards?

Just last election, dead people voted. It's unbelievable. Seems like it would be easy to vote for someone else because there is no way to check.

banker27520 - "No, YOU must be joking, cause that is completely wrong what you are saying."

Provide link backing up what you say please.

All that I've seen has shown the vast majority of US Citizens and LEGAL visitors here DO have some form of photo ID, and those who aren't here LEGALLY don't have the right to vote.

So prove what you said.

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