Governor, top Duke Energy officials met privately, won't say why

Posted January 6

@NCCapitol Investigates

— Gov. Pat McCrory's administration has made much of its efforts over the past year to "hold Duke Energy accountable" for the company's handling of coal ash pollution.

But on June 1, while in the midst of pressing legal action against and issuing news releases critical of the nation's largest utility, top state officials met for a private dinner at the Executive Mansion with Duke executives, according to calendar entries and other records reviewed by WRAL News.

McCrory, his top environmental regulator, his chief of staff and his general counsel attended, as did Duke Chief Executive Lynn Good, the company's general counsel and the president of the company's North Carolina operations.

Beyond general statements that environmental policy and job creation were topics of the meeting, neither state officials nor a spokeswoman for Duke have been willing to provide details of the discussion. The conversation came close on the heels of the state fining the company for pollution violations, during legal wrangling over coal ash pollution and while pending legislation on renewable energy and the state's response to federal clean power rules was debated at the General Assembly.

In response to a public records request, the Department of Environmental Quality said Secretary Donald van der Vaart neither received an agenda for the meeting nor recorded the discussion in any way. A similar request to the Governor's Office yielded only emails and calendar entries arranging the meal and the meeting, but officials say there were no emails or other documents detailing what topics were discussed or why exactly the meeting was called.

The meeting stands out as unique among nearly a year of entries on van der Vaart's calendar, and a spokesman for McCrory could not furnish examples of similar mealtime sit-downs with other large companies.

Questions put to McCrory's press office in December and this week did not yield any more specific answers.

"The discussion included topics about the economy, the environment, energy and job creation," McCrory spokesman Graham Wilson said.

Wilson was unable to provide answers over the past month to follow-up questions seeking more detail.

McCrory spoke Wednesday during the North Carolina Chamber's annual economic forecast forum in Durham but did not take questions from reporters other than a moderator helping to host the business-friendly event. That said, the governor did brag on what he called an "incredible rebound" in North Carolina's economy and ticked off a number of contributing factors, including the state's power providers.

"The price of energy in this region has given us a major competitive edge," McCrory said.

Environmental advocates say the closed-door discussion shows power companies like Duke, McCrory's old employer, have an edge in shaping government policy, particularly given the number of interests Duke has before various state government agencies.

"At a time when issues such as coal ash and renewable energy standards are dominating environmental news, the administration and one of the state's largest polluters are meeting behind closed doors," said Dan Crawford, a lobbyist with the North Carolina League of Conservation Voters. "The administration that promised transparency and 'customer service' is offering neither – unless it considers Duke Energy its only customer."

Meeting at a critical juncture

Meetings between governors and businesses leaders are not in and of themselves unusual. McCrory and other North Carolina governors have often styled themselves as the state's chief job recruiters who can close deals with corporate executives. Like his predecessors, McCrory, along with other top administration officials, often speaks to business gatherings such as the North Carolina Chamber's event.

But the relationship between Duke and the state is far from typical.

McCrory spent three decades working for Duke, and several former Duke executives have served in his administration. Also, the company donated more than $3 million in 2014 to the Republican Governors Association, a group that spends heavily to help elect Republican governors like McCrory.

"The public doesn’t get the opportunity to have private social time with the governor and his environmental chief," said Molly Diggins, North Carolina director for the Sierra Club. "This gathering underscores the continued very close relationship between the governor and Duke Energy."

Following a February 2014 coal ash spill from a shuttered plant on the Dan River, Duke's use of unlined pits to dispose of the material left over after coal is burned to generate power came under intense public scrutiny. At the time of the June 1 meeting, the administration was taking pains to show it was taking a tough stand against Duke – less than two weeks after the meeting, what was then the Department of Environment and Natural Resources announced it was hiring a special counsel just to deal with litigation over coal ash.

When state officials and Duke executives sat down on June 1 to break bread, coal ash issues would have been among a number of legal, legislative and policy actions that concerned the company at play:

  • In March, the state levied a record $25 million fine against Duke related to years of coal ash pollution that leaked from unlined pits at the L.V. Sutton plant near Wilmington. The company appealed the fine in April. In September, the state lowered the fine to $7 million and agreed to drop the lawsuits over Sutton and other coal ash sites around the state. The Southern Environmental Law Center, which had been involved in the litigation in an effort to force speedier coal ash cleanup, called the agreement a "sweetheart deal" for Duke.
  • On June 5, just days after the dinner, the state gave Duke permission to move coal ash from pits around the state to clay mines in Chatham and Lee counties. The plan is opposed by many who live near the mines and is the subject of litigation.
  • Throughout the General Assembly session, which ran through the end of September, lawmakers debated various aspects of renewable energy policy, including whether to extend North Carolina's renewable energy tax credit. Those credits weren't extended. Duke has been involved in building its own solar farms and is the customer to which other independent solar producers must sell their electric output.
  • Environmental regulators spent much of the year determining whether the company's remaining coal ash dams were "high hazard" and needed to be dug up right away or whether the company could take more time. On Dec. 31, DEQ determined that 20 of 32 dams were high or intermediate hazard – a majority but fewer than the 31 originally designated in a draft report.
  • For much of the 2015 session, state lawmakers were discussing how the state might thwart the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's pending "clean power plan." The McCrory administration is advancing a response designed to set up a legal showdown over the rules, which could have a dramatic effect on utilities like Duke. McCrory mentioned this to the Chamber's forum Wednesday, saying the policy "punches" North Carolina.

Neither Wilson nor a spokeswoman for DEQ would address whether coal ash litigation, renewable energy or other specific topics were discussed during the meeting.

Duke spokeswoman Paige Sheehan would talk only broadly about the meeting, saying it was a "routine update and conversation." She added that "there are any number of things we have conversations with state leaders about."

But Frank Holleman, a senior attorney with the Southern Environmental Law Center, says there was "nothing usual" about such a meeting, especially given van der Vaart's involvement and the timing of court actions related to coal ash.

"How in the world can the people of North Carolina believe their government is protecting their water from coal ash pollution when the governor and his secretary of the environment are hosting the polluter for a private dinner at the governor's mansion," Holleman said.

He pointed out that two weeks before the meeting, Duke had pleaded guilty to nine coal has crimes in the state and the company was on criminal probation.

"I can assure you they aren't holding private dinners with conservation groups or the people whose wells are affected," he added later.

Unwilling to talk

While both Duke and the administration described the meeting as a routine but important contact, neither side made those involved available for interviews.

"Obviously, we always want to have a constructive relationship with our regulators," Sheehan said.

When asked about the pending litigation at the time of the meeting, she said, "You have to find a way to be constructive and find a way to advance important conversations."

WRAL News requested an interview with van der Vaart before Thanksgiving. On Dec. 1, agency spokeswoman Crystal Feldman confirmed a phone conversation for later that week. The day of the interview, Feldman canceled but offered to take questions over email. The following week, Feldman said DEQ had decided to not speak about the dinner and defer entirely to the Governor's Office.

Asked why, Feldman would only say, "We've made a decision to not do an interview."

WRAL News sent emails to Bob Stephens, McCrory's general counsel, and Thomas Stith, the governor's chief of staff. Stith did not reply. Stephens referred questions to Wilson, McCrory's press secretary, and Josh Ellis, the administration's communications director.

"It would be better for me if you would address any questions you might have to either Josh or Graham," Stephens said.

Wilson declined to make Stith or Stephens available.

"We would think that the governor should be erring on the side of transparency," said Jane Pinsky, director of the North Carolina Coalition for Lobbying and Government Reform. "If this was just dinner between friends, he can say that. But he should be able to say."

Pinsky also questioned whether the governor could point to similar dinner meetings with executives from other companies.

"I'll have to look into that and see if I can," Wilson said Tuesday.


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  • Charlie Watkins Jan 9, 2016
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    A Governor dining with his constituents. Can't have that. Once elected the Governor should live in the Ivy Tower or in his woodworking shop.

  • Jason Clinch Jan 7, 2016
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    I'd be ore concerned with the potential favors that are implied to Duke through their underwriting a political party convention in Charlotte with an unpaid $20 million "loan"

  • Robert J. Howarth Sr Jan 7, 2016
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    Am I missing something here?? Says the meeting was on June 1. Around 7 months ago? Seems this is very old news, But needs to be brought back up for political reasons, Maybe?? Sleazy BS

  • Betsey Duggins Jan 6, 2016
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    May not be illegal, but certainly doesn't show great integrity. Being vague and inaccessible only widens the gap of transparency and cloaking truth. May the good citizens of NC rally to the poles in November and make McSneaky a one term Governor. He has singlehandedly done more environmental damage than I can fathom. Thanks to Mark for the thorough reporting!

  • John Snow Jan 6, 2016
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    Perhaps it was regarding his year end review and bonus.

  • Sonja Yagel Jan 6, 2016
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    Yeah, I remember some crooks Jim Black, Mike Sleazy, Meg Scott, Be Perdue. Funny they were all Democrats.

  • Sonja Yagel Jan 6, 2016
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    Did Bev Perdue or Mike Sleazy inform WRAL of all of their private meetings? If they had I am sure you would not have exposed it because you are so pro-Democrat. Gov. McCrory has brought us out of owing the Federal Govt. billions of dollars Democrat Perdue caused. He has done a lot of good for this state but you are so biased you will never give him credit for anything. Is Jim Goodnight going to contribute to the Governor's re-election like he has to Roy Cooper's campaign? So much for your left leaning investigations.

  • Ricky Diaz Jan 6, 2016
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    So let's get this straight... WRAL is attacking the governor for doing his job and meeting with one of the country's largest utilities and one of North Carolina's largest employers? The governor meets with companies all the time. But this is the kind of story that happens when your owner donates big $$ to the campaign of one of the governor's opponents, Roy Cooper. If WRAL were really interested in transparency, they should disclose that they donated to Roy Cooper's campaign in their stories. But wait, they don't.

    Oh, by the way, how many environmental groups have met with Duke?

  • Robert Smith Jan 6, 2016
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    Why doesn't Duke Energy just move its headquarters to the Governors Mansion since it looks like they own it more than citizens of North Carolina.

  • Arthur Raleigh Jan 6, 2016
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    Paying back favors to his previous employer?