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about voice of reason 23

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you completely ignore the cost of a completely de-stabilized region if we hadn't surged...that's OK, though, there were enough who DID recognize the benefit, including the thousands currently serving and even your new President

I can go back and find it, but why? It wouldn't make any difference to his supporters...any reason in particular? All you have to do is google it.

can you refresh my memory? Which "smoking gun"? Was it about the New Party?

"except for one flaw in your reasoning. No progress made = failure"

I'm the one with flawed reasoning???

The surge is working. The US and Iraq are discussing troop withdrawal dates. General Petraeus is drafting a troop drawdown schedule.

The surge really has nothing to do with the progress of the rebuilding of Iraq. The ONLY purpose of the surge is to make the dayum place more safe, and it has. Therefore, the surge is a S-U-C-C-E-S-S.

Is violence reduced in Iraq? Yes? Then progress is being made. The surge did EXACTLY what it was intended to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

"The surge was intended as a short-term escalation of troop strength to buy a bubble of better security so the Iraqi government and parliament could make progress"

And that is EXACTLY what the surge did. It bought a bubble of better security. The troops were not going to walk into Iraqi government offices and force the new government to do their job. The troops held their end of the bargain. They reduced the violence and bought a bubble of better security.

Thanks for helping me make my point.

The surge was about reducing the violence, and it did.

"Nice redefining of goals"

Not so. The surge began in January, 2007. The goals were set in May, and they were goals for success in Iraq, not goals for the surge.

LOL, I just read that article you sent me from foxnews.com..... those benchmarks have nothing to do with the troop surge. The troop surge was, among other reasons I;m sure, mainly intended to help reduce the violence. And it has. Troop surge successful. QED

The troop surge was successful in reducing the level of violence in Iraq. I can't imagine that not being on the list of objectives. I have not read that list and probably won't because this is the only success I really care about. The sooner order is restored, the sooner we can get out.

"Please tell me which of the 18 pre-surge benchmarks have now been accomplished by the surge."

I won't tell you the surge was successful. Your man Obama told the world that in his interview with Bill O'Reilly.

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