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white house - reality check (part ii)

Published Aug. 14, 2009
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White House: Reality Check

 As a 'right wing freak' who has 'manufactured anger' and all that other BS being said....  I've taken the time to keep track of both sides of arguments.

 

Just like many others opponents to the Health Care Bill, I realize that there are a small few who of the opponents who are intentionally using fearmongering to their advantage.


Despite the fearmongering, name calling, belittling, etc,  from the left - coming from proponents of the bill, generalizing ALL of us opponents, I and many others do not support violence and are doing everything in our power to truly educate people with facts.

 

In doing so, I've been very happy that the White House came out with the "Reality Check" website for the bill.

 

My only complaint is that, clearly no one is still reading the bill. The overwhelming majority of the website videos tell you what the bill DOESN'T do, but it doesn't back it up with factual data of what it DOES to counteract the arguments.

The sole exception being the video on the euthinization. I'm glad they put that out there.

 

NOW, there is a FAQ.  Sadly, again, too much time is spent arguing points that  opponents have drawn up and it doesn't use any factual data from the bill to support it's claims.  To me, this is sad.  Because of this, it leads to more confusion and misinterpretation.

 

For example:

Q: I have heard many people worry that health care will be "rationed" under health reform. I won’t be able to get certain tests or procedures. What if I want those tests and what if they detect something that could save my life?

Health Insurance Reform will end current forms of rationing, not expand it.

First, there is widespread rationing in today’s system. Right now, decisions about what doctor you can see and what treatment you can receive are made by insurance companies, which routinely deny coverage because of cost or the insurance company rules. Health reform will do away with many of those rules that result in rationing today.

Health Insurance Reform will prevent insurance companies from denying coverage because you have a pre-existing condition; prevent them for canceling coverage because you get sick; ban annual and lifetime limits on coverage, which often force people to pay huge sums out of pocket if they develop a serious illness; and prevent discrimination based on gender.

With health insurance reform, we will also put treatment decisions back into the hands of doctors in consultation with their patients.

One of the reasons we spend too much on health care today is that our incentives are perverse: Doctors are paid by the procedure, rather than for quality. We want reform that rewards quality of care not quantity of procedures. Having dozens of procedures doesn’t necessarily make you better. In fact they can make you worse. Right now roughly 100,000 Americans die every year from medical errors, which, in many cases, were the result of treatments that were wrong for them. We want to reduce preventable hospital re-admissions that are frequently caused because patients are not getting the right care in the first place. We want to give doctors the ability to make the best treatment decisions for you and your family.  

 

OK:  There isn't anything in here that really addresses the real issue.  Health Care Costs.  The REASON insurance companies do this is to keep costs of premiums down.

When all the preexisting conditions, chronic illnesses, etc are put into a government insurance plan, it is going to be very costly. This is NOT my argument against it, but it is a fact.  The government IS NOT and has not addressed the cost issue.  It's my argument that they honestly have not considered it or if they have, they have done very poorly at it, as they have with other programs.  

Also, let's look at reality (since that's what they call their website). There isn't a single country that offers government paid health care,that has not rationed. It's impossible not to.  It's not a fear tactic, it's just a fact. Governments are (well apparently except ours) liminted to the funds they receive from tax payers.  "Insured" via a government plan, can only be subsidized so much with tax payer funding and with premiums.  At some point, the government will have to make a decision for it's "insured":  1) ration care  OR 2) raise premiums and taxes.  Especially when you are going to take everyone on regardless, pre-existing conditions and chronic illnesses and all, AND including more than what even standard insurance covers today.

GEE - sounds a LOT like the current system doesn't.  SO MUCH FOR CHANGE AND REFORM.

Q: This legislation is going to cost more than a trillion dollars: how can we afford that?Well they give a good answer to this in the FAQ - you should check out the answer. It sounds GREAT. Let me give you an excert: 

"The majority of the initiatives that would pay for reform will come from cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. We want to take money that is already being spent on health care and re-allocate it toward reforms that lower costs and assure quality affordable health care for all Americans.

The cuts we are talking about involve spending that currently does not improve care for Americans. For example, we would save $177 billion in unwarranted subsidies to the insurance industry in the next ten years and put that money into actual care for people. These and other reforms will strengthen and stabilize Medicare."

For many opponents like me, this is the White House's attempt to answer our argument: This bill does NOT address Health Care COSTS (but instead it only addresses Insurance).

 

And truly, if this was all reality, then why are congressmembers annoucing to the public that they may have to raise taxes to cover costs of the health care reform?

Add to that... insurance companies get subsidies? So if you remove the subsidies, what's the first common sense thing that comes to mind? INCREASE in my premiums.

 So my taxes will go up to pay for those who don't pay for insurance now and my premiums are going to go up for forced regulations to take everyone regardless AND my preimiums will go up to cover what the insurance companies are not getting.  Sounds like Reform to me!

Add to that, if you read the FAQ it says that it's going to regulate insurance companies on limiting how much you can pay out of pocket for the year (putting a cap on it), capping co-pay, etc.  Guess what this does? YUP - You guessed it - raises costs of health care to make up the difference and guess what is impacted? The cost of health insurance.

But then they do this:  "Let’s also remember that we can’t afford not to reform health care. The cost of inaction is too high. Health care spending has grown in recent years three times faster than average wages."

LOL Sound familiar? Isn't that what we were told about all the bailouts and "stimulus". LOL We have to do "Something" and better now than later - we can't wait.

Well, we see how that worked out for us already didn't we?

 But let's be reasonable. This bill STILL does not address the reason why Premiums have doubled and out of pocket costs for people have gone up 32%.

THE TOP REASONS WHY HEALTH CARE COSTS SO MUCH:

1) Out of control Malpractice lawsuits

2) Exorbanent malpractice insurance premiums for doctors

3) extremely high administrative costs for practioners to deal with insurance companies

 Yet, none of these are addressed.

 

We have a shortage of general practioners right now. There is nothing to address this issue in the bill. We're going to add (assumably) 40 million people to the bill, who are they going to see? I've heard some say nurse practioners, but where are those going to come from, we have a nurse shortage too.

All in all, I'm happy to see the White House put this out there. I hope they will get more specific.

 

Whether your for or against the bill, it is important to know the facts. There is PLENTY Wrong with the bill, there is no need for opponents to manufacture anything to get a point across.

TIDBIT's "Not so perfect but close enough" Analogy: Joe Smo has a lawn care service.  The government now says: Joe - you can't charge more than $40 a month for anyone.  You can't descriminate: you can't charge someone with 4 acres more than someone with .5 acres. You can't turn anyone down or tell them you can't mow their lawn if  they ask.

Suddenly lawn care is more affordable, and more people are wanting his services. BUT now, he doesn't make enough to cover his gas to get to these places, he doesn't make enough to cover the cost of getting new vehicles to go to all the new businesses, he starts doing a half azz job becuase he's in a hurry to try to get in as much business as he can because he has to make ends meet to pay for all the maintenance on his equipment, his trucks, his employees AND STILL have $$ left over to pay his mortgage, taxes, etc. j

The current bill does exactly this and the outcome will be the same.

 

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"Whether your for or against the bill, it is important to know the facts. There is PLENTY Wrong with the bill, there is no need for opponents to manufacture anything to get a point across. "

thats what i'm sayin

As regards cost of the changes.....everyone klnows the current healthcare system is circling the drain and its only a matter of time before it collapses. The current bill at leasts puts in the framework of a safety net for when that happens. The result within a few years will be a single payer system for the vast majority and private healthcare for the seriously rich. Thats how it works for the rest of the civilized world and the vast majority of the populations in those countries would not tolerate anything else. If we do nothing the system will collapse anyway and we will be left with healthcare only for the really well off. For me, with a British Passport, I'm only a overnight flight from first class free healthcare......what are you going to do?

The experts agree, and it may be said that the government insurance plan will be the most progressive program ever instituted in our Nation. Don't the People deserve a great plan? Since no-one of political merit has suggested an alternative, the options on the table should be considered first and foremost.

Since no-one of political merit has suggested an alternative, the options on the table should be considered first and foremost. holycow

liberals are so close-minded...our very own Richard Burr has proposed a plan...the liberals just ignore him though, and I'm sure he's not the only one

For me, with a British Passport, I'm only a overnight flight from first class free healthcare......what are you going to do? haggis basher

So what your saying is... pass it - flaws and all, who cares. No need to dawdle or take the time to do it right. No need to take the time and improve on others systems that have LOTS Of failures (yes, the "brittish" system is not working as well as you claim).

You'd rather do something wrong fast, than do it right the first time?

the bill wouldnt change ANYTHING until 2013 anyway...so by my calculation we have 3 years to work on it

Since no-one of political merit has suggested an alternative, the options on the table should be considered first and foremost. holycow

There have been many attempts by Republicans to offer alternatives but all have been squashed in committee. Things like tort reforms, illegals getting services they don't deserve and don't pay for, malpractice insurance, etc.

"The experts agree, and it may be said that the government insurance plan will be the most progressive program ever instituted in our Nation. Don't the People deserve a great plan? Since no-one of political merit has suggested an alternative, the options on the table should be considered first and foremost."

There is no such agreement of experts. There are alternative proposals, and they are not being considered. The savings of the insurance subsidies; a good part of that is the premium subsidies that people on medicare receive for purchasing Supplemental insurance. So the idea that those subsidies somehow just goes into the insurance company pockets and no one receives health care as a result is "misinformation". So in just that example, if the subsidies go away, the people on Medicare either pay higher premiums for the supplemental or go without. Ask yourself another question; why should they need that supplemental insurance? They are on a Government plan and are forced to be there

I am amazed....we were talking about HEALTH CARE REFORM....then over night the liberal democrats changed it to HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM..to demonize the INSURANCE companies (which needed it)....however the white house, liberal democrat PLAN HAS NOT CHANGED!!! HELLO....ANY ONE HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way, another idea that is being blocked is to disconnect Social Security benefits from Medicare. As it currently works, if you do not sign up for Medicare, you can not bet your Social Security benefits. So this idea if you have a private plan and you can keep it, is misinformation, unless of course as part of this bill, they change current law.

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