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socialism for dummies- part 2: "government ownership of industry and companies"

Published Apr. 30, 2009
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 ** This is the second part of "Socialism for Dummies", to read the first part click here. **

 

Socialism: \sō-shə-li-zəm\, noun-

 

  1. Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
  2. A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.
  3. A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

 

It’s pretty clear that socialism is defined as the overtaking of a business or industry by either the public or government. What is also clear is the fact that the current administration is trying their hardest to lead us down the path to becoming a socialist nation, which is evident by the Obama administration’s wish to take over any company they feel is too large or not being managed as well as they would like to see. It violates every rule of capitalism, and takes us down a path that can only lead to the demise of our country if it is not stopped. But wanting to control privately-owned American companies isn’t the only socialist ideology currently in place or being considered in this country.

 

One of the major topics in the past few years, especially during the 2008 presidential election, was the topic of nationalizing health care—or to put it simply, “socialized healthcare”. Many liberals believe that healthcare is a right, and that if we bring universal or free healthcare to this country, that those less fortunate will be able to afford healthcare that wasn’t available to them before. They forget, however, that healthcare is not right.

 

In fact, there is great irony in saying that everyone should have the right to free or universal healthcare—socialized healthcare, while providing health services to the needy, actually takes away the rights of others. The individual rights of taxpayers are violated, as they now have to use their own money to pay for others. Do you really want to pay for the medical costs for those who choose to smoke, are overly obese, ect? Or how about the loss of freedoms when the government chooses to restrict or raise taxes on fast food, cigarettes, alcohol, automobiles, or other activities and products that may cause negative health effects? They have to make up the money somewhere, don’t they?

 

Do we really want to see headlines in this country like those in Canada do?

 

“Kidney Patients Die as Costly Dialysis Machines Lie Idle”The Times, July 26th, 1993

 

“Too Old to be Cured of Cancer”- The Times, August 16th, 1993

 

“Send Cancer Patients to U.S., Alberta MD’s Urge”- January 18th, 2003

 

“Ontario Government Report Calls For Up To 1,000 More MD’s”- Toronto Star, December 3rd, 1999

 

Or the best one, a headline from the Canadian Press on the 14th of June, 1991:

“For Dogs, A Scan Can Be Arranged Within 24 Hours. Humans Wait in Pain, Dogs Don’t”

 

 

Is that really something we want in this country? I don’t think so. It’s clearly an act of socialism, as the government is taking over a whole industry.

 

Now on to other forms of socialism. Several things, most that many people don’t notice, have socialist ideologies behind them in one way or another in this country. Lets quickly point out a few of those:

 

  • Airports. While airlines are privately owned (at least for the time now, I’m sure Obama and his boys will get their hands on a few here soon), the airports they fly into aren’t—public airports in this country are government owned. The government then decides which airlines are allowed to fly into an airport and the frequency at which they will be allowed to do so.
  • Certain tax credits. Buy a hybrid car? Line the roof of your house with solar panels? Chances are you got a tax credit from the government for this. It’s their way of saying what they want to see done in this country, by enticing Americans to buy certain items or do certain things in order to receive money. You do what they want to see done, you get money.
  • Bailouts. I think this one is pretty clear; giving certain companies money from the government is their way of investing government (taxpayer) money in a company, which is a loose version of government ownership of a company, which is socialism. (And yes, Bush did this too, I don’t agree with it when it was done under him either.)

 

So there’s a brief look at “Socialism for Dummies”. People can deny that socialism exist in this country all they want, but the facts are there. Socialistic ideas have been planted in this country for years now, but the current administration up in Washington wants to take these ideals even further. Is Capitalism gone in this country for good? Well, that might be a stretch. Is it slowly dwindling away? Yes. The problem with socialist ideals is that even if they don’t work, they are near impossible to take away—after a while people will see them as being “rights” which they are owed from the government.

 

The truth is, Capitalism is the greatest wealth generating system known to man. Yes, not everyone's needs can be met through Capitalism, but no other system can either. The United States is known for being the greatest country in the world; with people willing to risk their lives to live here for a taste of the “American Dream”...why ruin that by drifting away from the economic fundamentals that we have built this country on for over the last two hundred years plus?

 

**You can find the full article here at The Raging Elephant website.**

 

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Gucci you obviously don't have a spouse so you have no idea what I would do for mine so the point is valid. I didn't know you were a doctor too.I've seen memebers of my family eaten away by cancer and the only thing they could do was use painkillers to try and keep them comfortable. Or would you rather have people dying suffer? The ER is not useless because my wife developed pnuemonia after her masectomy and I took her to the ER at 2am and after a couple days in the hospital she was fine. I wouldn't have cared if I had insurance or not I would have taken her to the hospital because I love her and would do anything for her. You are bitter about your lose and I understand that but do you really want the governement involved in your healthcare? If you do then please read Tom Dashles's idea of government run healthcare. It's scary.

Nancy, honestly, I could care squat what you think. You spew the garbage the conservatives tell you to think and say. I'm rarely angry, but healthcare is the ONE topic you will surely outrage me.

I bet you go to church every sunday and call yourself a godly woman.

what about the people Jesus loved? It's fine to help them as long as it doesn't inconvenience you too much.

Read my blogs, whiny lady and you'll see I'm a pretty happy go lucky gal. But when it comes to children, the elderly and this planet, you will enrage me everytime.

Why? because you and your kind disgust me.

"Since you are so bright, how much should we get paid? And then I will come to your job to make sure you are not making to much money."

Who is "we"? I am a medical researcher for a non-profit orgainization. I get paid well enough. I got into medicine to help people, not to become wealthy at the expense of others.

If you are in medicine and do it for the money, perhaps you should find another line of work.

Gucci wouldn't you do anything for a loved one? I rest my case. Got to go it's getting late for me. Have a nice night all.

"Nancy, honestly, I could care squat what you think. You spew the garbage the conservatives tell you to think and say."

I rest my case.

Thank you batcave.

"Capitalizing off of illness is barbaric" - So someone should invest years of their lives and many many thousands of dollars to become a Doctor, and what, not be paid for their work? Only be paid whatever "Government" decides the service they provide is worth? Be forced to provide care for free? I really can not figure out how so many people got to this entitlement place in which they exist.

You took your wife for an emergency, Harry, which is what the ER is for. But did you take her there for her yearly physical? Her Mammograms? Diagnosis of her disease? Treatment, surgery etc of her cancer?

Of course not. But see, it's okay if the poor do that, and you know what? They die.

I'm not bitter, I'm furious. It's easy to comment how cold it is outside as you sit in a blanket in front of a fire. In a matter of minutes your life can change. Don't be too complacent.

I'm not married, but if Mors needed me to help him through an illness, there isn't much I wouldn't do. Love isn't confined to the married.

Again, your arguments are lame.

what level of care do you expect from government provided care? who sets workers' pay? since we are periodically treated to stories about how no one knows where the money went in a given government function, how will this be different? I've been(or am) on the other side, paying for cobra, devastating illness, high premiums...but trusting government to operate and manage healthcare? can we use the postal service as a comparison?

"So someone should invest years of their lives and many many thousands of dollars to become a Doctor, and what, not be paid for their work? Only be paid whatever "Government" decides the service they provide is worth?"

Again, if someone went through medical training to become rich then perhaps they should have gone to law school.

I don't want a doctor caring for me because he wants to be rich. I want a doctor who cares about people and what he does.

I didn't spend all my time and money in school to become wealthy, I did it because I care.

Goodnight Harry. I hope your wife continues to improve. Fortunately for you, she's seeing her own physician and getting the best care possible.

My sis is also doing okay. Unfortunately for her, she's seeing whomever will take her on a charity basis. Yea for the USA! :)

Gucci your reaching and you can't debate so give it a rest especially when you don't know the love between a husband and wife. You won't know until you experience it so anything you have to say is nil. You don't have the life experience to try and lecture me little girl.

One need only to study the Canadian healthcare system to understand the pitfalls of socialized medicine. They've been at it for a very long time and the outcome is not a story of success and improved healthcare for the masses.

Government programs without proper oversight is a bottomless pit both financially and in providing as promised.

People deserve better.

Thank you Gucci and sorry for the snide comment and good luck to your sister as well.Again my apologises I get a very emotional about my wife's illness.

I'll leave with this note.

America is 37th in the world for health care.

37th.

That puts a whole lot of countries with Socialized medicine ahead of us.

For God's sake, Costa Rica ranks higher than us.

Think about that.

Little girl? I'm almost forty and the mother of two girls. I know love sir. I also know that a marriage license doesn't make you love your spouse anymore than I love my sweetie.

You don't like what I'm saying, because you know I am right. Healthcare is not a luxury car or $400K home or designer jeans. It's a basic need that affects us all.

We are one of the most developed countries in the world and other countries slam us when it comes to healthcare. How can we be a productive forward moving society when people can't even see a doctor without giving up necesseties like food and shelter?

The arguments here baffle me. I'm as athiest as they come, and I swear to god (grin) I'm more of a christian than the majority of folks here.

Goodnight Harry. I do wish her nothing but good health. It sounds like you're taking very good care of her. :) She's lucky to have you.

"Health Care is a basic need."....(I disagree) Tell me where this all ends. To survive, at a minimum humans need food, water, clothing, and shelter. Those are needs. Some include health care as a basic need? So who should pay for these things?

I also need help in understanding how it is "Christian" to want the Government to take from one person and give what they just took to another person. Frankly, I call that stealing.

An interesting read:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/hl856.cfm

Written by a Canadian who is involved in the healthcare system directly.

The irresistible force of demand for "free" services is running headlong into the immovable object of unavoidably limited health budgets. To date, the pressure has been relieved by crumbling health infrastructure, loss of access to the latest medical innovations, declining numbers of medical professionals, and lengthening queues. By and large, people have access to ordinary, relatively low-cost services like general practitioner office visits, but find it increasingly difficult to get vital services such as sophisticated diagnostics, or many types of surgery and cancer care, where the waits can be measured in months, if not years.

liberalism=generosity with others' property

I know something needs to be done, even if this might not be the correct solution. Just 2 years ago I was working at a fast food restaurant at night and going to college during the day. I couldn't afford insurance so I didn't carry it. I wound up with a kidney stone and had to have it removed. Only, because I didn't have insurance I was required to pay $1,500 upfront to the doctor before he would remove the stone. Now, I'm not bashing anyone especially doctors since I'm hoping to end up in medical school, and I know they needed to be paid and didn't know whether I was going to or not. But, had it not been for my parents, I wouldn't have had the surgery because I couldn't afford it, and that's a shame. I now have insurance with a very good job and still in college and I thank God for that. But I will always remember the feeling I got when I was in so much pain and their filling out the paperwork and the doctor's receptionist says, "We need $1,500 upfront."

And to top it all off, I was in kidney failure.

I snipped this from a New York Times article that was talking about Massachusetts health insurance and some of the difference in the approach that Obama might push. This is part of the theft of your liberty: "Although health reformers in Massachusetts acknowledge that the fiscal and political landscape in Washington is profoundly different, there is broad agreement among them about the importance of mandating coverage for adults." Notice the word mandate. Personally I would rather not have health care available at all before being forced to have insurance.

I don't see any descriptions of what the "free" healthcare consists of. I'll give you an example of gov't healthcare....when I was in the military I was in an auto accident. I was told to go to xray and follow the yellow line to the green line and so forth. I had to wander around the emergency room to convince them I could hardly walk or see straight...then I got some assistance. you should experience "free" dental care courtesy of the gov't. that was a lot of fun too!

Reading some of these comments I just shake my head. I can't get past the second company page for insurance before I would be flagged and tossed in the trash. Too much of a risk to take me on.

How can people think of it as a RIGHT to have insurance? They have the right to DENY you just the same!! Nowhere in our countries constitution or laws does it say you are/WILL BE accepted to have medical coverage. Trust me!

I must disagree with you Gucci. health care coverage is not a NEED. Many people get by without having coverage. You NEED food and water. you NEED shelter. you NEED basic clothing. You don't NEED a car. (get my drift?)

I went over 10 years from seeing my GP. I wasn't sick, why go in.

It would be same as saying I NEED internet service. No, that is not a NEED. Medical cover is a LUXURY that not everybody can pay for.

Trav, you remind me of someone jumping from a 20-story window: "So far so good!"

Until you hit the ground, of course.

Your argument is that you haven't needed health care in ten years so you probably never will? Umm..ookay.

SC Fireman, I feel so horrible for you. I can't imagine what I would do if a doctor required 1500 dollars before he would help me. You could have died.

There is a huge difference between a private HMO company dictating terms to doctors and a government dictating terms to all. With private HMO's, one can shop around to find the best one to fit a doctor's practice. One can't shop around with government, and HMO's don't have the power of the state to police rates. Huge difference.

I do not understand how any reasoning individual can claim that ANYTHING that has to be provided to you by someone else is a RIGHT. I have a right to my life because I have it by virtue of being alive. I have my liberty because it is my natural state, and I can be free without any action being required by another. But there can be NO RIGHT to anything that requires the action or sacrifice of another. Once you, or an agency working on your behalf (such as government) force someone else to provide something for you, the status of that something can no longer be a right, because someone elses basic rights have been curtailed in order to provide it to you. Health care is not a right, because someone else's actions are required for you to have it.

The big lie is this: The socialists market it as "UNIVERSAL" health care. The reality is that it is only universal "COVERAGE" health care. They won't tell you the truth. They let you assume that this means also universal "ACCESS" to health care.

"Here is your antibiotics for the infection." Oh, your doctor also says you need an MRI also for ___________? Well, the line starts over there."

Implied in that sentence is that: 1. you aren't too old or too young 2. your quality of life will improve and you won't be a "burden" on the system 3. how many MRIs will you need? 4. How much is all this gonna cost the gov't's program. 5. A gov't bureaucrat determines all this and can pull you out of the line.

I swear some of you would want profiteers to charge us for the air we breath if they could.

Absolutely disgusting.

SCFireman said: "But, had it not been for my parents, I wouldn't have had the surgery because I couldn't afford it, and that's a shame."

SCFireman I'm sorry you had such a rough time. But what is the shame? The fact that your family did what it is designed to do and takes care of each other when necessary or that you couldn't afford it? What happens when one or the other of your parents (when they get old) gets sick and needs your help? Are you then going to tell them to depend on the government? What will you do when the government health bureaucrat tells your father or mother that the government (according to their studies) doesn't think their quality of life after the procedure is worth the expense and then hands them a chit to go to a hospice and die? Will you say something like, gee, ain't universal health care grand!

"I swear some of you would want profiteers to charge us for the air we breath if they could."

That is already in the plans, only you have to change the word "profiteers" to "federal government." What do you think the EPA declaring carbon dioxide, better known as human breath, a pollutant will do? Make us all richer?

And one more thing I forgot to add to my scenario. Under universal health care you will not be able to help your parent as they did for you. You see, under universal health care all private transactions with doctors will be criminalized. The government has to have total control. Right now we have something to compare our system with. You won't even have that freedom after universal limited access health care is enacted.

No, Mors, what's disgusting is people who want to legislate social engineering through the power of the state.

I have no right to enjoy the fruits of your labor, and you have none to mine. Fairness is not a right...it's a subjective belief, and can not be legislated...what's fair to you is not fair to another...kind of like the Supreme Court and porn ("I'll know it when I see it", except everyone has different degrees of vision).

We're all born equal. We don't die equal. How we live our INDIVIDUAL lives and the choices we make are what makes us different. We're not a collective.

Theseus, the parents are old. Both in their late 70's. I said the whole health care thing that is proposed may not be the right solution but something should be done. I didn't endorse it, nor imply that I would.

SCFireman said: "something should be done"

I understand you didn't endorse it but what does that statement above mean? Why should something be done and who should do it? The implication is always the government should do something?

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