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tattoos and body art in the workplace

Published Feb. 7, 2009
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Its topic that sits on a fence.  Do tattoos and body art make the person? to some - yes, to others its a form of expression and one that should be a "free" form. 

As police officers and public safety officials and state/city/county Government employee's we are expected to live up to a certain image. But who decides what that image should be? What may be considered unprofessional to one, may be admired by another. 

Most of our agencies and work environments have a standing policy - no visible body art or piercings while in-uniform and engage in duties with the public. Same goes for smoking, profanity, drinking soda pops, and being seen with your hands in your pockets. 

Kinda extreme huh? well not really. There is a reason for it. There are some pretty prestigious agencies within the state that do not have a tattoo or body art policy and officers are free to display that beautiful art all they wish. 

Others, not so misgiving. But, it's a necessary requirement.

I know many LEO's and EMT's from numerous agencies that are HEAVILY decorated and it shows everyday and yes, in court. Some people scowl but a whole lot more seem to admire. I've been to several mass public events (4th of july, etc) whereas members of the public actually walked up to the officer and stated "man, those are some awesome tattoos, hey officer, check these out."  So it does have its benefits in certain aspects. In certain circumstances some members of the public seem to trust a little more and open up a little easier during the course of investigations. I will not get into the covert benefits that it has for obvious safety reasons.

Some have not been so admirable - "I can't believe they let you have those and a badge too, I mean you dont LOOK like a police officer" hmmmm I'm confused, just what is a police officer "supposed" to look like??? Same goes for the response we get when we stop people on the street at 2.am wearing long dark coats in a business district and its July..."Well, do I LOOK like a criminal" hmmm not sure son, whats a criminal supposed to look like??

Now, does that mean that we should be out wearing ear rings (as males), goatee's and van dykes, and walk up to your car meeting all of the requirements except the red laces in our boots? not at all.  Although I do know of one very large department and a very prestigious department in Cumberland county that I have observed uniformed officers with goatee's though. 

Does this mean that they are any less of professional officers because they have some pretty colorful and intricate tribal style art? Not sure, again, tattoos dont make the person.  However, I draw that line at a police officer with tattoos that either directly or subliminally depict an allegiance to drugs, sexism, racism, and what could be considered extremeism.

Case in point, I once watched a defense attorney in Wake get publicly admonished to almost tears when she used "the officer got out of his car with tattoos and black gloves and resembled that of a storm trooper."  The judge rolled up his robe and stated "I have this and several others, does that make me a storm trooper too" among some pretty colorful other facts that he proceeded to point out.  Defendant was found guilty. 

Tattoos in the work place? well, it not only applys to public safety officials but I seem to be seeing alot of business establishments starting to institute the "no visible body art" policy...

How are things on your job????

The pic attached to the BLOG is Corporal Paul Orinthal, San Francisco PD, CA.

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djofraleigh, The Bible does have quite a bit to say concerning piercings and tatoos, (mostly the reason they were done ) is what keeps me from getting a lil Blue Devil on my ankle. Never, am I judging on this matter, if you want one, go for it, just stating my comment.

I have tatts; they don't keep me from doing my job well or right.

If they're a distraction to others, maybe they aren't being kept busy enough.

God bless.

Rev. RB

Duke Blue, I considered that before I got mine. It seemed tattoos of that era were used as a form of idol worship.

It's really whatever the employer says, in the end. ---:) Not really!!!

How so?

Plank, in that era, but, God says, I am the same yesterday, today and Forever more, I changeth NOT. That is what I am going to base weather I do or not :)..Folks, have a great day, I need to get outta here and get ready for a BB game. :)

In most states, there is no law against tattoo parlors, and tattoos are not illegal anywhere in the US. (there are countries that won't let you in with them - Honduras for one, due ot gangs)

A job can legally be denied you for having one, or having a beard (Dr. Pepper) etc. Only where a deeply held, sincere religious reason demands the tattoo or beard would be an exception.

Duke Blue, I understand where you're coming from, and your decision is your own. However, if we didn't take note of the New Covenant and the historical basis for the restrictions in Leviticus then we wouldn't be eating shellfish or getting our hair cut.

"In most states, there is no law against tattoo parlors."

South Carolina has such a law.

"A job can legally be denied you for having one"

The Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would disagree with you

The way you dress, wear your hair, walk and talk are your choice and your right, which ends where another's right to hire the "look" or presentation a worker makes.

Discrimination is common and legal, except where Constitutionally protected, such as race, religion, etc.

When Hooters hires a shapely WOMAN as a waitress, they are discriminating. When the NBA hires a 7 foot man, they are discriminating, yes on the basis of performance, which is legit. The good looking buxom young woman performs better at getting customers than grandma. Got the wrong dialect, sorry. It is everywhere. We don't live in boxes or berkas.

"It is not about looking cool or tough, it is about looking professional."

I don't think tatts keep one from looking professional at all if accompanied by the right demeanor.

God bless.

Rev. RB

A job can be denied for most any reason, because a prospective employer can lie about why the job was withheld.

In the end, would you want to work for that kind of person anyway? I wouldn't!!!

God bless.

Rev. RB

DJ is close on one aspect reference an employer denying or even firing you for body art: Courts which have considered the body art issue have found that tattoos are not protected speech under the First Amendment. The Eighth Circuit concluded that, "the tattoo is nothing more than self expression, unlike other forms of expression or conduct which receive First Amendment protection. Because tattoos are not protected expression an employer must show merely that the challenged classification is rationally related to a legitimate state interest.

So, as far as legality goes, yes you can be denied or fired. It would then be up to the former employee to challenge the fact under 1st amendment protections and prove it.

Also, employees have also failed to establish that the right to display tattoos is protected by the First Amendment right to free association and privacy. The first amendment addresses political, social, economic, educational, religious, or cultural associations and are protected. This is an ongoing battle with ultra-left/right school children with thier T-shirts, blogs bashing the administration, and of course the land mark BONG HITS FOR JESUS case, which the defendant lost.

My place is not a problem, but some family members work at a place where, any tats must be hidden from view. Myself, I do not have any, I just don't get the point.

I have them. I work at IBM. Not an issue.

I recently hired a worker who had a tattoo on the back of her neck. She's been a great worker, and I don't hold it against her at all now.

However, I'm glad I didn't see it before I hired her because it probably would have made me see her as less professional. If I'd seen it, I may have offered the job to someone else based on this fact alone. Tattoos are a risk to the wearer.

OOOO sexy pic. I LUV TATS

I don't care what a guy does, but for me visible tattoos on a woman are a turn off. I don't mind maybe a small rose on the hip or maybe the ankle. I can even tolerate the tramp stamp. But please, not on the neck where you can see it. And yes I have a tat on my upper arm. I bet TB can guess what it is!

Your body is Gods gift to you. What you do with your body is your gift to God.

heh..eagle, globe, anchor

I like tramp stamps on women, esp those you don't expect to have them, for some reason the shirt rides up and there it is.

Where I work, they instituted a new policy last year. If it was there as of the policy, ie piercing or ink, then it was fine. If it was added to the body after that date, it could and would cost you your job. All of my ink is hidden when I am in uniform.

Evil1...that is what I hear on a regular basis. Shock that I have one. It was my 30th birthday present to myself. Heck, it shocks me to catch a glimpse of it sometimes.

Tramp stamps are cool.....

Have you seen mine Tru? In my image gallery.

Just did..pic two looked like you were in a little pain...the final result is very nice

"But who decides what that image should be?"

Your employer.

Thank ya. It was a very long two hours and my daughter kept taking pictures. It was getting kind of annoying to have her snapping the camera every two seconds!! LOL

""A job can legally be denied you for having one"

The Federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission would disagree with you"

Absolutely wrong.

There are provisions for Gender, Age, Religion, but no protection statues referencing tatts, pink hair or bad attitudes .

BTW, I have a tat.... but I also expect that it's my employers right to deny me employment if he wishes. I have the freedom of choice , so does my employer.

(Well, at least until Hussein, Pelosi and their ilk trample the rest of private property rights.)

RKBA - at least we agree on something. You have the dynamic trio pegged right: Hussein, Pelosi, and Dingy Harry

We probably agree on a lot, but we're both stubborn as hell on others! :-)

Only some nut can make an article about tattoos a comment about the Democrats,really a strech there even for a Palin Republican. I guess you guys have not heard that we are happily in control now.

I have a tramp stamp

Mom of..., what made you decide to get one? Just curious, since you can't see it without a mirror, unless your really limber. Also, do you have a tongue ring and if so, why did you get it.

"I have a tramp stamp"

Golo terms clearly state that women with tramp stamps must have them posted in their image gallery. Please comply with the terms. "the management"

No tongue ring.

I had always wanted the tramp stamp. To be perfectly honest, my ex husband told me I wasn't allowed to get one there. It involved pulling my shirt up to get it. Therefore, it wasn't permitted. So, now that he is gone, I got one as a 30th present to myself.

Evil...it is in her image gallery..along with her pretty eyes and a nose ring

BTW...mine is in my image gallery.

http://www.wral.com/golo/image_gallery/4357844/

LOL @ True...no nose ring..though not cause I don't, cause I haven't gotten that far yet...and my job won't allow it. My daughter has one though.

Ex would not "let" you get one?? See, thats the first things we get straight within a relationship before it ever begins - yes, you can be on top and the word "let" does not exist.....

He wouldn't "let" me do much of anything. You must not have read my blogs. No worries though. That is why he is the soon to be EX!

"Only some nut can make an article ..."

It's your thoughtful, well reasoned arguments that make you represent your party so well.

ahhh one of "those" huh....control freaks....they never realize how much fun they are missing out on if they would let her do some of the controlling to ya know.....

Yeah..he wouldn't hear of it.

and that is why he has earned the grand title of "EX".....

Yes sir. Or he will when that time rolls around. NC law stinks in that aspect.

"That is why he is the soon to be EX!"

Good deal. Sounds like he wants a pet, not a thinking breathing, challenging partner. He doesn't know what he's missing (but perhaps he soon will!)

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