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speed trapping and radar

Published Feb. 5, 2009
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A favorite of law enforcement officers all over the state, and a not so favorite for the ones who get caught:

"I didn't realize I was driving that fast sir."

"What? No way, your radar is wrong"

"Deputy, I really had to pee...did you expect me to wet my pants?"

"I'm on my way to the hospital, its an emergency"

"Trooper, may I see the radar please"

"What about the guy in front of me that was doing at least 80, but you stopped me instead"

 "Ummm revoke my license on the spot? You can't do that" (yes we can)

We hear it all.  Some politely accept the fact that speed kills and they were indeed exceeding the limit. Works for me - here's your WARNING ticket, now slow down please.  Others - are content to argue and argue and argue and in some cases - argue themselves out of the ticket and into a nice pair of trinkets. Not something I was expecting to accomplish but hey, whose counting.

Are speed traps legal in the state? yup....can we run radar from a residential driveway in a neighborhood that we recieve a wide level of speeding complaints? Sure can....Do we actually even NEED radar to stop a person for speeding and issue either a verbal warning or a state citation? Nope. Wanna know a really sneaky trick we bad cops play? Here's a freebie - I'll back my car between the vehicles on display at car dealerships and run radar....you never even see me.  I'm dastardly like that. 

Although I myself prefer radar, I don't necessarily need it, per supreme court rulings. yes, I know - radar is not infallible, its only as accurate as the user, the cop will lie and use the radar as an "excuse" blah blah blah.  Heres the facts folks:

     No, we cannot "tamper" with the radar in order to raise the speed that you were going just so we can write specifically "you" a ticket.

     Yes, the radar does have its "moments" as far as accuracy - if in doubt, I don't stop the car.  25% of all radar tickets are in error. The most noticeable and common mistakes include shadowing, RFI interference, cosine error and mechanical interference. We as officers all understand this.

     Under NC training standards, officers are not simply handed a Crown Vic equipped with Eagle 2's and told to go forth and multiply. We attend a pretty comprehensive 40hr course with strict training standards that employs use of radar and estimation within 4 mph without radar.

Now, I'm going to really burst your bubble.  You know those really expensive Cobra's and K band radar detectors (among others) that you spend all that money on so you can speed on our freeways?  they dont work!! But *sigh* it does give you that sense of "security" huh....

Passive jammers and active jammers are designed on the theory that when an officer shoots your car with either a radar signal or laser the signal the radar/laser is reflected back to the officers device, with an added FM chirp.

The problem with this theory, if you are further away then three feet from the  radar signal, the reflected signal from your expensive detector is not strong enough to jam. There's more but I won't reveal it all here.

In short - with what I have in my unit - when your chirp goes off, I've already got you. Aint it great!!! My system uses your jam as a reflect and sends the signal back you - after I have acheived a "lock".  Theoritically, I use your own detection signal against you.

My advice? Just slow down...whats the hurry? The movie is not going anywhere, the sale will advertise again, its better to get poked in the eye for being late for work instead of never arriving again.

Enforcement of NC statute 20-16.1 is mainly what I try to focus on. That is the mandatory suspension of driver's license upon conviction of excessive speeding, exceeding by more than 15 miles per hour the speed limit, either within or outside the corporate limits of a municipality, if you were also driving at a speed in excess of 55 miles per hour at the time of the offense, or driving at a speed in excess of 80 miles per hour at the time of the offense. These are the so-called "real money" tickets.  Speeds that no doubt can get you or others around you killed quick. 

Do I care if the speed limit is 55 and you are doing 60? no, get real....I'm more interested in the speed demons and lead foots that are legitimately hauling azz. 

When you get up in the mornings and running a little late, gotta stop by daycare before the late fee kicks in - if you see the lone patrol cruiser sitting at the crest of the hill in the center of the grass - slow down because you never know....

Had a bad experience with a cop running radar and there is just NO WAY (in your mind) you were doing what he/she said you were - post it......

TRU

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Having your macho-ism triumph free speech? 1st Ammendment anyone?

Define your interpretation of protected speech?

I think the worst thing I ever did was ask a WLSN cop if he was low on the totem pole because he was driving the old cruiser..my ticket went from unsafe movement to careless and reckless..I went around a speed bump. C&D at the time was 4 pts.. I paid about a grand to get outta it.

Now it's just yes sir and no sir...or ma'am.

I'd prefer to see my tax dollars spent on gang prevention, although it would be a much more challenging effort and wouldn't generate as much revenue on the front end.

I love the attitudes on some parts of "I'll speed if I want to and screw you if you don't like it."

Maybe one day a speeding driver will kill someone you love and you'll know how stupid that sounds.

I'm a careful, safe driver but I tend to push it to about 9 over on the speed. My radar detector keeps me from getting stupid tickets at speed traps where the speed changes from 55 to 45 or less. I will slow down when the speed limit changes like that, but when the cops try to make it a sport, the radar detector is the trick.

One time in Pitt county, I had a cop get excited because he caught me driving 31 in a 20 coming out of a 35. The 20 mph sign was nailed to a dogwood tree. I almost got arrested on that one.

True Blue and other LEOs I have a question for you (which I feel is more important than speeding). What measures do you all take for making sure children are properly restrained in a car? I would LOVE to see checkpoints or traps to check vehicles for kids in carseats/seatbelts. I work carpool duty at my school and see SOOO many kids in those cars in the wrong restraint/no restraint or with carseats not buckled to the seat or the straps so loose the kid would fly right out in a crash. It worries me, but I don't know what I can do about it. Do you guys ever worry about that stuff? What's the penalty if you stop a car and find the kids unrestrained? I think it should be a huge fine and points on insurance. Something to make sure the parents fix the problem.

You should add a specific part about how cops deal with motorcycles. How they'll clock a motorcyclist that is speeding below the limit for chasing, and not bother clocking again so as to continue a chase. Am i correct in stating that the state's chase policy says an officer cannot pursue if the offender is exceeding 95mph? Somewhere i heard this, but i have never searched in order to find out whether or not it is factual.

"Am i correct in stating that the state's chase policy says an officer cannot pursue if the offender is exceeding 95mph? Somewhere i heard this, but i have never searched in order to find out whether or not it is factual."

lol...they will. trust me. i think there are different guidelines for troopers and all others.

but, i have been chased at speeds well over 100. however, i passed a trooper clocking people one day when i was doing about 180, and i don't think he moved.

Belligerance - some agencies have a written "no pursuit" policy in place and others leave it to the discretion of both the officer involved in the pursuit and the patrol supervisor. I had heard that under the previous administration, that the SHP had a "we will not terminate" policy. Not sure if its been changed. SHP in the past has chased a felony violator all the way to Virginia and beyond. Personally, if I feel that if thier is an impending danger to the public and THEN me in that order - I will terminate. I've got the tag, I'll take out a warrant on the registered owner and deal with them later.


My favorite was also my last ticket (knock wood). It was over 15 years ago on NC-12 going over the rickety Bonner Bridge in Dare Co. I was in a group of vehicles (3rd from the back, maybe 5th or 6th from front) travelling around a bend in the bridge when I saw the trooper coming north around the bend. I looked down and I was doing just over 60mph (speed limit was 55 back then - I think it is 45 now). When I got to the south end of the bridge, one of the cars behind me passed me. I saw a trooper **flying** southbound on the bridge and thought something bad must have happened on Hatteras Island someplace. He passed the junker behind me and then pulled ME over! I thought is this a mistake? The guy asked how fast I was going and I told him 'about 60' to which he responded 'try about 70'. We argued briefly; he wouldn't show me the radar so I signed the tick and got a lawyer. The local council PJC'd me and my friend who reco'd the lawyer warned me how a *few* were very corrupt. sigh.

"You should add a specific part about how cops deal with motorcycles. How they'll clock a motorcyclist that is speeding below the limit for chasing, and not bother clocking again so as to continue a chase. Am i correct in stating that the state's chase policy says an officer cannot pursue if the offender is exceeding 95mph? Somewhere i heard this, but i have never searched in order to find out whether or not it is factual."----

No, that's not true. If you're running 130, I can run 150 to catch you. There is no need to clock a second time. You've got me confused. Once I clock someone, I do not clock them a second time. Instead, I focus on what I'm supposed to be doing which is driving at a high rate of speed to catch a violator.

"The local council PJC'd me and my friend who reco'd the lawyer warned me how a *few* were very corrupt. sigh."---

Give me a break. Everybody I stop says they're not going the speed I clock them at. That's because I get them long before they see me or look at their speedometer, letting off the gas at the same time. He doesn't need to make up charges on you. He's got plenty of people he can stop for a violation. So nice try.

"so nice try" -leonc

you give me a break. The lawyer noted that the backward cop that nailed me was bad news - indeed the only one that the Dare Co court would ever PJC on. Just like there are a *few* bad apples in the broker bin - there are a few in the cop bin also.

...that is not to question your personal honesty. I'm sure you are not corrupt, leo - as are 99% of the leo's out there.

'as are 99% of the leo's out there' = 99% are honest, hard-working public servants; visa vis, not corrupt

On another note... another attorney friend tells me that any time you get pulled over, do *not* indicate that you were speeding - and do *not* lie about your speed. The first is considered in court to be an acknowledgement of breaking the law; the second can be technically considered obstruction of justice or worse, evading arrest.

Remember that anything you say can always be used in testimony in court. So, always be curteous. Always be honest. And never say anything that can (and will) be used against you in court.

"you give me a break. The lawyer noted that the backward cop that nailed me was bad news - indeed the only one that the Dare Co court would ever PJC on. Just like there are a *few* bad apples in the broker bin - there are a few in the cop bin also."----

A defense attorney telling you that a cop is bad? No way. LOL ---- PJC's are given all the time, not just with a single law enforcement officer.

Broker, what campbell university drop-out backwoods attorney gives you your legal advice??

"I can run 150 to catch you." leo-nc

What do you drive?

A pretty fast car :)

"Broker, what campbell university drop-out backwoods attorney gives you your legal advice??" --True Blue in Wake County

methinks I hit a nerve??? get over yourself - both you and leo. There is no such a thing as a perfect employee of any profession. Mistakes are made. Human egos impair judgement. There are those of us everywhere who have a reputation for "pushing it". I think my subsequent driving record speaks for itself - over 150,000 miles driven since my ticket with only a pull for a burnt-out headlight (which even the leo acknowledged was petty) - with no citation. None. Nada. And as to the "letting off the gas" comment: puhleese. NO car drops 10mph just by releasing the gas pedal while on a flat road. Most LEO's are good, some are just cops.

So then, tell me how the advice I repeated on here regarding being honest, curteous and aware of one's own rights is wrong in any way whatsoever. sigh.

if you travel through the little town of pittsboro in chatham co be careful !! the cops sit in auto dealership car lots , and even the local auto repair shop's wercked car yard !! . they need to meet their quota so be careful !!!!!!!

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