true blue in wake county: blog 
true blue in wake county's blog
speed trapping and radar
Published Feb. 5, 2009Views: 5567
A favorite of law enforcement officers all over the state, and a not so favorite for the ones who get caught:
"I didn't realize I was driving that fast sir."
"What? No way, your radar is wrong"
"Deputy, I really had to pee...did you expect me to wet my pants?"
"I'm on my way to the hospital, its an emergency"
"Trooper, may I see the radar please"
"What about the guy in front of me that was doing at least 80, but you stopped me instead"
"Ummm revoke my license on the spot? You can't do that" (yes we can)
We hear it all. Some politely accept the fact that speed kills and they were indeed exceeding the limit. Works for me - here's your WARNING ticket, now slow down please. Others - are content to argue and argue and argue and in some cases - argue themselves out of the ticket and into a nice pair of trinkets. Not something I was expecting to accomplish but hey, whose counting.
Are speed traps legal in the state? yup....can we run radar from a residential driveway in a neighborhood that we recieve a wide level of speeding complaints? Sure can....Do we actually even NEED radar to stop a person for speeding and issue either a verbal warning or a state citation? Nope. Wanna know a really sneaky trick we bad cops play? Here's a freebie - I'll back my car between the vehicles on display at car dealerships and run radar....you never even see me. I'm dastardly like that.
Although I myself prefer radar, I don't necessarily need it, per supreme court rulings. yes, I know - radar is not infallible, its only as accurate as the user, the cop will lie and use the radar as an "excuse" blah blah blah. Heres the facts folks:
No, we cannot "tamper" with the radar in order to raise the speed that you were going just so we can write specifically "you" a ticket.
Yes, the radar does have its "moments" as far as accuracy - if in doubt, I don't stop the car. 25% of all radar tickets are in error. The most noticeable and common mistakes include shadowing, RFI interference, cosine error and mechanical interference. We as officers all understand this.
Under NC training standards, officers are not simply handed a Crown Vic equipped with Eagle 2's and told to go forth and multiply. We attend a pretty comprehensive 40hr course with strict training standards that employs use of radar and estimation within 4 mph without radar.
Now, I'm going to really burst your bubble. You know those really expensive Cobra's and K band radar detectors (among others) that you spend all that money on so you can speed on our freeways? they dont work!! But *sigh* it does give you that sense of "security" huh....
Passive jammers and active jammers are designed on the theory that when an officer shoots your car with either a radar signal or laser the signal the radar/laser is reflected back to the officers device, with an added FM chirp.
The problem with this theory, if you are further away then three feet from the radar signal, the reflected signal from your expensive detector is not strong enough to jam. There's more but I won't reveal it all here.
In short - with what I have in my unit - when your chirp goes off, I've already got you. Aint it great!!! My system uses your jam as a reflect and sends the signal back you - after I have acheived a "lock". Theoritically, I use your own detection signal against you.
My advice? Just slow down...whats the hurry? The movie is not going anywhere, the sale will advertise again, its better to get poked in the eye for being late for work instead of never arriving again.
Enforcement of NC statute 20-16.1 is mainly what I try to focus on. That is the mandatory suspension of driver's license upon conviction of excessive speeding, exceeding by more than 15 miles per hour the speed limit, either within or outside the corporate limits of a municipality, if you were also driving at a speed in excess of 55 miles per hour at the time of the offense, or driving at a speed in excess of 80 miles per hour at the time of the offense. These are the so-called "real money" tickets. Speeds that no doubt can get you or others around you killed quick.
Do I care if the speed limit is 55 and you are doing 60? no, get real....I'm more interested in the speed demons and lead foots that are legitimately hauling azz.
When you get up in the mornings and running a little late, gotta stop by daycare before the late fee kicks in - if you see the lone patrol cruiser sitting at the crest of the hill in the center of the grass - slow down because you never know....
Had a bad experience with a cop running radar and there is just NO WAY (in your mind) you were doing what he/she said you were - post it......
TRU
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February 6, 2009 7:17 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 7:19 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 7:24 p.m.
Here is the statute for disorderly conduct. No where in this statute does it say that using a profanity in front of a police officer is against the law. Thus, by you charging someone for doing such you are "articulating" (lying) and filing a bogus charge in which someone will have to spend money on a lawyer to show you didn't prove them "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt"
Explain yourself little boy blue - you said you have "I never lied, bent the truth "a little" just to obtain some BS conviction, nor did I omit facts."
You just choose to present them without full scope of the situation? Or is it because you will face no consequences for your actions if the resulting bogus charge is dismissed? Is the cold hard truth making you sleepy?
February 6, 2009 7:30 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 7:32 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 7:35 p.m.
GOLO member since August 21, 2009
February 6, 2009 7:42 p.m.
I've only met one of your type. I promptly met with Richard Johnson (and believe me, he's a bulging "Richard" if you know what I mean) and Mr. Johnson stated while the officer "had PC" his comment about charging me with DOC was not correct (he went back to his car and looked it up after I told him to shove it I wasn't breaking the law because I knew the statute) The officer was reprimanded and I met with Donnie and told him to watch his mickey mouse deputies or I'd watch them for him
And all that other stuff you wrote, am I supposed to read it and care?
February 6, 2009 7:43 p.m.
GOLO member since November 28, 2008
February 6, 2009 7:43 p.m.
lets see...14‑288.4. Disorderly conduct, (2) Makes or uses any utterance, gesture, display or abusive language which is intended and plainly likely to provoke violent retaliation and thereby cause a breach of the peace.
I guess you either missed that part, or just wish, as most violators who are conviced they are correct and "know their rights" to interpret it as you see it and not for what it is. You still get an F-Plus for effort
GOLO member since November 28, 2008
February 6, 2009 7:49 p.m.
February 6, 2009 7:54 p.m.
LOL. I gotcha - you still get an A+ in lying. You're saying that by using a word that is a word which can be used under the 1st ammendment that someone is getting under your frail ego and possibly "plainly likely to provoke violent retaliation" because the big widdle police man got his macho man feelings hurt. Won't stand little man, won't stand. I'd love to be in court on a day that it did.
And believe me - Donnie caught me on a good day - had the officer given me the ticket for DOC Donnie knows he would have gotten a nice fat lawsuit. Unfortunately for you kid, Donnie knows when an officer is WRONG (such as in my case) he has to man up and apologize.
Like I said, you can charge a turnip for a crime, that doesn't mean it will stick. How new to this gig are you sonny?
February 6, 2009 7:55 p.m.
You've got the gun, and you can do whatever you want. Temporarily. Whether what you do sticks in court is a whole different matter. Whether you retain the respect of the public depends on how and when you and your brothers wield this power.
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February 6, 2009 8:01 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 8:02 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 8:03 p.m.
Another genius endangering the public.
GOLO member since July 12, 2007
February 6, 2009 8:04 p.m.
No, the judge does. You simply "articulate" (lie) and say I was trying to provoke you - NEXT
The person on the recieving end (me does. We've established this.
Yes, we've established you're a good liar in constant denial of such a fact.
I do not need to "articulate" a whole lot my good man - you do.
No, I'm pretty sure on your report to the DA you'll have to "articulate" (lie) about something - you really are new to this aren't you?
All that will be said is "did you say this to the officer" and you can stand there under that first amendment paragraph in a big tan board behind you in old english script and say proudly "yes sir I did." and the two things you will hear is "guilty" and "see the clerk" oh.....and "next"
LOLOLOL!! I LOVE IT!! Psychic po-po to the rescue!! Sure thing skippy.
I notice there is a difference in you "lying" about "using the F bomb" vs. "F U" Tell me how you lie on those reports?
February 6, 2009 8:11 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 8:15 p.m.
Of course, it was the pertinent point.
GOLO member since July 12, 2007
February 6, 2009 8:20 p.m.
I know all the little tricks they teach cops - how to articulate (lie) on a report so it makes their version seem like the truth (there are 3 sides to every charge, the offender, the officer's and the truth). They teach you to put your hand on the vehicle during traffic stops etc etc
I love how because I know SOOOO much about you I must be a habitual felon, LOL. Of course, knowing my rights makes me a threat to bullies with badges like you. Cops like you love cameras when they're in the right, and that's good for them. But I have no doubt when that camera isn't catching your actions the only difference in you and the thug you're arresting is the badge.
February 6, 2009 8:23 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 8:28 p.m.
I've been telling that to people for years & save your money & drive like you have some sense. Nobody don't like to take a truckers word for it though.
GOLO member since July 2, 2007
February 6, 2009 8:29 p.m.
There is a tactical reason for that - not a subversive reason. Obviously you dont know it so you speculate.....
GOLO member since November 28, 2008
February 6, 2009 8:29 p.m.
go to ur page right quick
GOLO member since November 5, 2009
February 6, 2009 8:29 p.m.
Or I'm limited to 1000 words and if I post it here everyone will know!! I suggest they ask their neighborhood police officer like I did!
but I don't recall being taught how to lie
Durrrr, it's not training a monkey to do a math problem. You see things one way, the defendant sees them another, and the truth can be one person's view, or niether person's view or a combination.
That's what is really scary. Cops like you act like they do NO WRONG. Everyone else in society is lower than you. You tell the truth ALL THE TIME. You never deviate how the situation happened EVER. With a photographic memory like that, you could rival Ken Jennings Jepodary winning streak! Maybe that's where you get your kicks - you THINK you're word is the law, and as I said before, even if you're wrong you face no consequences for being wrong. No accountability these days
February 6, 2009 8:41 p.m.
1) To ensure the trunk is secured and that no one is hiding in it - its an officer safety issue
2) to connect us to the car by fingerprint in the event of a drive-off
3) shooting leaving one us dead and then they drive off
Not sure what lying would have to do with that? Do you?
GOLO member since November 28, 2008
February 6, 2009 8:42 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 8:47 p.m.
Could be. Either way, as a strict constitutionalist I don't think officers should worry with petty tax collecting crimes anyways. I'd be for making your job easier per say - dealing with murders, rapists, molestors, and the such and paying you more to do it. Leave the speeding tickets and inspection sticker garbage to the state or federal IRS - you know as well as I do that's the majority of the reason behind those citations anyways. Blog on it, I'm out and off to work.
February 6, 2009 8:54 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 9:08 p.m.
What the firetruck were you driving?
GOLO member since September 19, 2008
February 6, 2009 9:51 p.m.
I agree it's frustrtating, but, where in life does this *NOT* happen? In NC if you worked for me (example only!), and I decided I didn't like the way you parted your hair, or if you didn't go to a college I liked, you talked funny, or you weren't in the "correct" fraternity, I could fire you. Boom, done, see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
Face the facts, situational authority pizzez you off, especially if you suspect it's being misused. But in this case, I honestly don't see any problem with what True Blue has said. Human nature is human nature. Dealing with the public is a beatch.
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February 6, 2009 10:17 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:19 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:23 p.m.
Hope you go to the front of the line. I'm sure it won't be a long wait.
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February 6, 2009 10:24 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:28 p.m.
To be honest with you, before the arrows flew between you and TB, I viewed (and still do) Tru's blog as informative, not really any chest thumping.
With respect to you, may I suggest you try to view it from a civilian's point of view? A civilian without an authority problem? I'm sure you forgot more than I'll ever know about the military and law enforcement. However, because of that, the blog probably sounds juvenile from your point of view, but then again, you could teach the course, eh?
I'm positive TB did this to be informative and promote discussion. Nothing else.
Cheers!
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February 6, 2009 10:42 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:48 p.m.
February 6, 2009 10:52 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:53 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 10:55 p.m.
That all it was - but when you come into my blog and make assumptions of my job performance - well to coin a familiar phrase - you were'nt there. I poked fun at you because I earned the right to, I wore that uniform for over 2o years same as you and the only people allowed to make fun of us - is us. Nuff said. As far as recon marines go, I served with alot of them and alot of JSOC guys as well. They teased us, we teased them - in typical military fashion. Off a leash? never....
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February 6, 2009 11:04 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 11:07 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 11:09 p.m.
I have to be at a soccer game at 8 o'frickin clock in the morning. See you all next go 'round.
8 years in the Marines? My uncle-in-law has an LP with the title of something along the lines of "Sounds of Parris Island", a recording of boot camp. Crazy stuff. He's a Marine too.
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February 6, 2009 11:25 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 11:35 p.m.
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February 6, 2009 11:37 p.m.
Bingo.
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February 7, 2009 8:27 a.m.
There was a young guy driving an older white car with a broken windshield on my way home last night. He had a car full of people and was switching from the 3rd lane to the 1st and back to the 3rd, not smoothly either. Then he sped off. A minute later I saw them pulled over by the guard rail in the middle. They were getting out of the car. I couldn't tell why though.
I see so many bad drivers out there it makes me think it must be too easy to get a license in the first place.
GOLO member since February 26, 2008
February 7, 2009 8:51 a.m.
Where did I say that? I don't like the ones who have authority over me attempting to abuse their privileges. Everyone in life has to answer to someone else - FACT
Further, you don't like the areas of law enforcement where decisions seem somewhat arbitrary.
That's for the courts to decide, not some hyped up LEO on a message board telling everyone he KNOWS what the judge is going to say when there are a lot of judges out there and I highly doubt he knows them all and knows what their decision would be. Simple fact - cops enforce the laws as they interpret them - JUDGES decide if that interpretation is right or wrong. If wrong, no skin off their back. That's where the whole "accountability" issue comes in.
February 7, 2009 12:05 p.m.
FACE THE FACTS: You have a guy on here touting he knows the judges decision before its made and thus saying his word is the law. Do you not see a problem with this? Are you not hot on a day like today in your sheep's wool? Officers enforce the law - judges decide if they have enforced it based on its interpretation. That's the beauty of the english language.
It's nothing to do with "situational authority" it's called "ego" in the real world. As I've stated several times you can charge a turnip with a crime - doesn't mean the charge will stick! Bogus charges like that are a waste of tax payer resources. There's enough of that as is!
I honestly don't see any problem with what True Blue has said. Human nature is human nature. Dealing with the public is a beatch.
Misusing law interpretation isn't a beatch? Having your macho-ism triumph free speech? 1st Ammendment anyone?
February 7, 2009 12:15 p.m.
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