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speed trapping and radar
Published Feb. 5, 2009Views: 5606
A favorite of law enforcement officers all over the state, and a not so favorite for the ones who get caught:
"I didn't realize I was driving that fast sir."
"What? No way, your radar is wrong"
"Deputy, I really had to pee...did you expect me to wet my pants?"
"I'm on my way to the hospital, its an emergency"
"Trooper, may I see the radar please"
"What about the guy in front of me that was doing at least 80, but you stopped me instead"
"Ummm revoke my license on the spot? You can't do that" (yes we can)
We hear it all. Some politely accept the fact that speed kills and they were indeed exceeding the limit. Works for me - here's your WARNING ticket, now slow down please. Others - are content to argue and argue and argue and in some cases - argue themselves out of the ticket and into a nice pair of trinkets. Not something I was expecting to accomplish but hey, whose counting.
Are speed traps legal in the state? yup....can we run radar from a residential driveway in a neighborhood that we recieve a wide level of speeding complaints? Sure can....Do we actually even NEED radar to stop a person for speeding and issue either a verbal warning or a state citation? Nope. Wanna know a really sneaky trick we bad cops play? Here's a freebie - I'll back my car between the vehicles on display at car dealerships and run radar....you never even see me. I'm dastardly like that.
Although I myself prefer radar, I don't necessarily need it, per supreme court rulings. yes, I know - radar is not infallible, its only as accurate as the user, the cop will lie and use the radar as an "excuse" blah blah blah. Heres the facts folks:
No, we cannot "tamper" with the radar in order to raise the speed that you were going just so we can write specifically "you" a ticket.
Yes, the radar does have its "moments" as far as accuracy - if in doubt, I don't stop the car. 25% of all radar tickets are in error. The most noticeable and common mistakes include shadowing, RFI interference, cosine error and mechanical interference. We as officers all understand this.
Under NC training standards, officers are not simply handed a Crown Vic equipped with Eagle 2's and told to go forth and multiply. We attend a pretty comprehensive 40hr course with strict training standards that employs use of radar and estimation within 4 mph without radar.
Now, I'm going to really burst your bubble. You know those really expensive Cobra's and K band radar detectors (among others) that you spend all that money on so you can speed on our freeways? they dont work!! But *sigh* it does give you that sense of "security" huh....
Passive jammers and active jammers are designed on the theory that when an officer shoots your car with either a radar signal or laser the signal the radar/laser is reflected back to the officers device, with an added FM chirp.
The problem with this theory, if you are further away then three feet from the radar signal, the reflected signal from your expensive detector is not strong enough to jam. There's more but I won't reveal it all here.
In short - with what I have in my unit - when your chirp goes off, I've already got you. Aint it great!!! My system uses your jam as a reflect and sends the signal back you - after I have acheived a "lock". Theoritically, I use your own detection signal against you.
My advice? Just slow down...whats the hurry? The movie is not going anywhere, the sale will advertise again, its better to get poked in the eye for being late for work instead of never arriving again.
Enforcement of NC statute 20-16.1 is mainly what I try to focus on. That is the mandatory suspension of driver's license upon conviction of excessive speeding, exceeding by more than 15 miles per hour the speed limit, either within or outside the corporate limits of a municipality, if you were also driving at a speed in excess of 55 miles per hour at the time of the offense, or driving at a speed in excess of 80 miles per hour at the time of the offense. These are the so-called "real money" tickets. Speeds that no doubt can get you or others around you killed quick.
Do I care if the speed limit is 55 and you are doing 60? no, get real....I'm more interested in the speed demons and lead foots that are legitimately hauling azz.
When you get up in the mornings and running a little late, gotta stop by daycare before the late fee kicks in - if you see the lone patrol cruiser sitting at the crest of the hill in the center of the grass - slow down because you never know....
Had a bad experience with a cop running radar and there is just NO WAY (in your mind) you were doing what he/she said you were - post it......
TRU
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I would hope not, it makes perfect sense.
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February 5, 2009 12:56 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 12:56 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:08 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:22 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:29 p.m.
February 5, 2009 1:41 p.m.
It's crazy how many bad drivers I encounter (I'm sure you see more). I drive fast, but am aware of my surroundings and have a vehicle that can handle the speed.
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February 5, 2009 1:42 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:45 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:46 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:53 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:57 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 1:57 p.m.
February 5, 2009 2:26 p.m.
As long as it's enforced in the spirt of the law...write on my good man.
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February 5, 2009 2:34 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 2:35 p.m.
I have a Valentine One and since I have had it, the only tickets I got were because I passed an unmarked car. One of the tickets was 94 in a 65, but I'm not sure he actually clocked me, because my lawyer got the charge thrown out. I passed him too.
The Valentine One picks up radar from pretty far away, so even when johnny law is just lighting up folks one at a time, I usually know it long before I get to his location, especially if it's somewhere I've been before and know the false positives.
The main thing is, when I get pulled, I'm always polite, turn on the interior lights if it's night, engine off, flashers on, window down and hands on the steering wheel. When asked "Do you know how fast you were going?", I just say I am not *completely* sure.
Thanks for the info!!!
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February 5, 2009 5:08 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 6:07 p.m.
Someone had some underlying issues.
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February 5, 2009 6:52 p.m.
February 5, 2009 7:49 p.m.
Lets be clear. We do NOT calibrate the radar at the beginning of the shift and every stop. We DO check the radar unit for accuracy following a specific procedure for the mode we used to clock you. Knowing the "musical note" of the forks is not required. I couldn't tell you what it is.
February 5, 2009 8:32 p.m.
Sounds like it's happened to you. Maybe you ought to think about how you interact with people.
February 5, 2009 8:34 p.m.
Why would you ask that? Who cares? They are different for each type of RADAR being used. For instance, a 30mph fork for an X Band is different than a 30 mph fork for Ka. But again, it's not required knowledge so it's not worth talking about, really.
February 5, 2009 8:37 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 8:42 p.m.
February 5, 2009 8:42 p.m.
I recall a JC Sheriff Deputy mentioning "there's 480 miles of roads in the county, and 8 of us on patrol late at night".
Pretty good odds!
:-)
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February 5, 2009 8:45 p.m.
He was trying to give you an understanding on how things work, but apparently you've had some run-ins as well. hmmmmm.
February 5, 2009 8:53 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 9:51 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 9:57 p.m.
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February 5, 2009 9:58 p.m.
The last time I got popped was on I-40 and they were shooting radar off that bridge that goes to Umstead just before you get to Harrison Ave. in Cary.
They had troopers sitting on the side of the road as the guy sighting called out your position. The trooper said the spotter called out an older brand of a car with a old bald headed guy with the windows down and his arm hanging out the window. I asked him who the heII he was calling older... ;^)
I was only doing 80MPH and he said I was the slowest one they pulled at the time. Most were going 90+. He said they'd give me 74 in a 65MPH since I was cooperative and not an a-hole. I was cool with that. 80 is a comfortable speed.
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February 5, 2009 11:19 p.m.
Hey, why bother with jock girlfriends when there are so many strippers around???
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February 5, 2009 11:21 p.m.
There is nothing to be gained by being impolite or confrontational with the officer. The correct time and place for that sort of thing is later, in court, and it's far better handled by your attorney than by you.
My own goal when stopped is to be as polite as possible, record anything and everything that I possibly can about the encounter and get away from it as quickly and painlessly as possible. If there's any fighting to be done, I let my attorney handle it after the fact in court, where that sort of thing belongs.
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February 6, 2009 12:19 a.m.
That person probably felt like a genius as they were driving faster than their skill and equipment would be able to handle just a few seconds before they wiped out.
Most everyone drives a few miles over the speed limit. It's hard to drive and not go 50 in a 45, or 70 in a 65, etc. But the idiots who think it's cool to go 95 in a 65 and put my family in danger, well, I want True Blue to hand you a nice little invitation to talk to the judge about your driving habits.
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February 6, 2009 12:23 a.m.
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February 6, 2009 1:42 a.m.
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February 6, 2009 6:07 a.m.
If I'm speeding, I know I'm speeding. If I'm caught, I deserved to be caught. I worked radar on I-64 and I-75 in KY many years ago and we heard all the excuses and reasons you posted and then some. Rarely, would anyone admit to it.
One thing about those days that really irked me was that state legislators could not be ticketed IAW KRS if the legislature was in session. Don't know if that's the case in NC.
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February 6, 2009 6:36 a.m.
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February 6, 2009 6:53 a.m.
February 6, 2009 7:14 a.m.
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February 6, 2009 7:40 a.m.
You're a moron, and you're going to get someone hurt because you're trying to play games. I would have charged you with reckless and taken you to jail for it. Congratulations, yours is the most ridiculous post I've seen all week. You win a free toaster. Too bad the prize wasn't driving school.
February 6, 2009 8:25 a.m.
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February 6, 2009 9:54 a.m.
To all those people who talk about "quotas," my husband (an LEO) has a great response when a speeder makes a smart remark. He says "yep, two more today and I get a toaster." :)
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February 6, 2009 10:11 a.m.
Keep up the good work!!!!
February 6, 2009 10:42 a.m.
Man: What's the problem officer? Cop: You were going at least 75 in a 55 zone. Man: No sir, I was going 65. Wife: Oh Harry. You were going 80. (Man gives his wife a dirty look.)
Cop: I'm also going to give you a ticket for your broken tail light. Man: Broken tail light? I didn't know about a broken tail light! Wife: Oh Harry, you've known about that tail light for weeks. (Man gives his wife a dirty look.)
Cop: I'm also going to give you a citation for not wearing your seat belt. Man: Oh, I just took it off when you were walking up to the car. Wife: Oh Harry, you never wear your seat belt. Man: Shut your mouth, woman!
Cop: Ma'am, does your husband always talk to you this way? Wife: No, only when he's drunk.
February 6, 2009 11:03 a.m.
You know whats really great about that - I charge you with C & R, you beg and snivel in front of the judge with your "I was just trying to slow down and he scared me" routine, who of course reviews the stop from the on-board cam, he finds you guilty with no PJC and you eat both the ticket, the insurance hike or drop you based on the report that I will fax to them and guess who pays for the damage ocurred to your vehicle *ta-da* you!!! if it sounds like we as LEO's are familiar with this tactic - maybe its because we are and so are judges and certainly the insurance companies - you get an F plus for effort though.
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February 6, 2009 11:05 a.m.
"Yes, the radar does have its "moments" as far as accuracy - if in doubt, I don't stop the car. 25% of all radar tickets are in error."
Quite disturbing first you make comments about excuses as shown above and then you admit 1-4 reading are inaccurate. Now that is pretty scary.
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February 6, 2009 11:09 a.m.
But I am a major speed demon. A typical trip to the beach is running 80 to 90. Sorry. Maybe I need to be the next nascar chick just to get that feeling out huh? My hubby always jokes about how he will get a ticket before me.
I guess you can say its addicting to go fast, to feel that adrenaline rush when you passing cars on a highway going soooo fast. WOOOOHOOOO
Have a wonderful day and drive safe. LOL
February 6, 2009 11:11 a.m.
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