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Published Oct. 7, 2008

DC court: Let’s release terrorists into the US

October 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

A federal judge has ordered the release of 17 Chinese Uighers detained at Guantanamo Bay, and specifically into the US.  Judge Ricardo Urbina demanded that the federal government produce them in his courtroom by Friday, and refused to stay his order for an appeal.  He also warned immigration officials not to do their jobs by detaining these suspected terrorists:

A federal judge today ordered that 17 Chinese Muslims held at the Guantanamo Bay military prison be released into the United States by Friday, agreeing with the detainees’ attorneys that the Constitution bars holding the men indefinitely without cause. …

Justice Department lawyer John O’Quinn asked Urbina to stay the order for a week, giving the government time to evaluate its options and file an appeal. Urbina rejected that request and ordered the Uighurs to appear in his courtroom for a hearing on Friday. He said he would then release them into the custody of 17 Uighur families living in the Washington area.

O’Quinn said the legal ramifications from the order are complex and that he wants time to consult with officials from the Department of Homeland Security. Under existing U.S. law, immigration authorities may be forced to take the Uighurs into custody shortly after they arrive in the United States, O’Quinn said. The Justice Department alleges they have ties to a group that has been designated a terrorist organization by the government.

Urbina chastised O’Quinn for suggesting that the government might take the Uighurs into custody for a second time.

The seventeen men were captured in Pakistan after fleeing Afghanistan during the 2001-2 campaign to topple the Taliban and fight al-Qaeda.  The judge said that the government had unreliable evidence to show them as a threat to the United States.  If living in terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan doesn’t provide prima facie evidence of just that kind of threat, it’s difficult to know what Urbina needs.

Now, unless the 4th District overrules Urbina in the next 72 hours, we will knowingly transport 17 Uighers who lived in terrorist training camps to our nation’s capital, and release them on their own recognizance.  Why?  Because we can’t send them to China, who might mistreat them.  Every other country in the world has more sense than to agree to take these Uigher separatists, who like many of their compatriots, have allied themselves with al-Qaeda.  Every other country, that is, except the US, or at least one of its judges.

This is what we can expect when the judiciary decides to usurp the role of the executive branch in waging war.  Urbina ruled that the detention of the Uighers violates the Constitution with their indefinite detention, but that doesn’t apply to unlawful combatants of any war, and never has.  We would be within our rights to hold prisoners of war until an end to hostilities, and Urbina has now given these terrorists a better deal than POWs get.

To paraphrase a great line from the late Paul Newman in The Verdict: I wouldn’t mind Urbina waging the war if he wasn’t so determined to lose it.

 

Get used to it folks; this is only the beginning - especially with an Obama administration, Obama-appointed judges, and the leftists running the congress...screwwwed in '08

 

 


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"perhaps when you look at your copy of the constitution you'll probably find a copy of the declaration in it as well since they basically go together."

Maybe you could take a class in American history and brush up on this...

"ummm, basically yeah. unless of course you have a crystal ball that tells us in advance which ones are just poor little innocent goat herders or farmers (since thats what they all seem to claim to be)." goheels_15

Just want to be clear that you support martial law in America because we have a small percentage home grown terrorists willing to attack America on her own soil and that any "radical" segment of society "might" pose a threat to national security. So to make sure that all the non goat hearders are rounded up...you're okay with that?

"or actually...our Declaration of Independence (as the quote came from)...but then again, I wouldn't expect someone willing to subvert the laws of our lands to know its historical documents"

i know exactly what its from. perhaps when you look at your copy of the constitution you'll probably find a copy of the declaration in it as well since they basically go together. and i'm not willing to subvert the laws of OUR land when they apply to OUR citizens.

ok i've got to go to bed so i can get up early and go to another one of my right-wing classes. so i guess i'll have to read your rejoinders at a later time. something tells me that there arent going to be any minds changed tonight anyway.

"once again, you refer to OUR constitution. "

or actually...our Declaration of Independence (as the quote came from)...but then again, I wouldn't expect someone willing to subvert the laws of our lands to know its historical documents.

hmmm lets see: "The real shame is the success of a terrorist organization to capitulate the integrity and strength of the US Constitution..."

So you took my response to fear mongering and applied it to the constituionality of GITMO...interesting...not quite where I was going with that post but an interesting interpretation none the less.

And regarding the actual uniform issue, well you'll have to take that up with GWB since he argued against their status between civilians and uniformed combatants as it applies between the third and fourth conventions (once again, seemingly placing his judgements outside the law). But go ahead, deny basic rights to anyone you want, whatever helps you sleep at night.

"Are you suggesting that we keep 100% detained because a few of them may be insurgents? That we should suspend the basic human rights of all of them so we can make sure that the radicals are caught?"

ummm, basically yeah. unless of course you have a crystal ball that tells us in advance which ones are just poor little innocent goat herders or farmers (since thats what they all seem to claim to be).

""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.""

once again, you refer to OUR constitution. so i have to once again refer you to my previous questions.

"http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d20080613Returntothefightfactsheet.pdf" goheels_15

So according to your fact sheet 7% of the released detainees returned to insurgent behavior. Meaning that 93% did not. Are you suggesting that we keep 100% detained because a few of them may be insurgents? That we should suspend the basic human rights of all of them so we can make sure that the radicals are caught?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I guess these are just words to you, but Americans have bled and died for the ideals of freedom, and I for one can't just discard their sacrifice.

"didn't say COTUS applies to them..."

hmmm lets see: "The real shame is the success of a terrorist organization to capitulate the integrity and strength of the US Constitution..."

"you have heard of the Geneva Convention, right?"

yeah, thats the one that applies to actual soldiers wearing a uniform...right? maybe i have missed something then, since i didnt realize that al-qaida or the taliban actually had uniforms. i'm sure they're really spiffy..except for the blood splatter of recently decapitated infidels that is.

"i must have missed the other clause in my constitutional law class that says something different. "goheels_15

didn't say COTUS applies to them...you have heard of the Geneva Convention, right?

"Should any doubt arise whether persons, having committed a belligerent act..." is a prisoner of war "...such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal."

How long does it take to put together a competent tribunal..understanding that it may take longer to find anything competent under the current administration...the fact that their status has never been determined for SEVEN years strikes me as a bit odd (and should strike any sane person the same way).

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