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Published Sep 26, 2008
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If anyone wants to chat, share notes, express opinions or even "debate" during the Presidential debate, feel free to do so here. I imagine that most of us will be listening intently so I fully understand if comments are scarce. 

But if you want to talk after the debate, come see who's here.

 

-Angela 

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The U.S. war against terror started soon after we won independence on the Barbary Coast.
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GOLO member since May 16, 2008
September 26, 2008 10:47 p.m.
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McCain campaign "We did well." Obama campaign "We did well."
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GOLO member since May 16, 2008
September 26, 2008 10:47 p.m.
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Danriverboy...I am not pleased with Bush at all. I did vote for him in the first term, but not the 2nd. Didn't vote in his 2nd term. Prior to 9/11, the company I work for had the best year evern. It has been going down ever since.
Made In USA
GOLO member since September 11, 2007
September 26, 2008 10:50 p.m.
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T. Boone Pickens..... he's up to something.
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GOLO member since May 16, 2008
September 26, 2008 10:50 p.m.
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Economy: Obama wins

National security: Neither one wins.
Made In USA
GOLO member since September 11, 2007
September 26, 2008 10:52 p.m.
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Made in USA. Here's what I think happened. In 1999 all the companies spent a ton of money on IT to fix the Y2K bug. They had no money for 2000 and the economy started to go into a recession. The recession continued into the first half of 2001 and was starting to go away when 9/11 happened. In a recession, some companies do well, while most do not. Just like in a bear market, some stocks go up, while most do not.
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September 26, 2008 10:52 p.m.
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T. Boone Pickens..... he's up to something. JustAName

I've signed on to Pickens Plan. LOL Can you believe it?
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GOLO member since September 17, 2008
September 26, 2008 10:55 p.m.
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If you watch the ads carefully. T. Boone Pickens ads use the same stock footage of a Honda CNG vehicle as 2 or 3 other Natural Gas companies. I think they are all working together to increase Natural Gas revenues as Natural Gas tries to raise their rates locally.
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GOLO member since May 16, 2008
September 26, 2008 10:57 p.m.
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Hmmmmm...Justaname...you could be on to something. He's a biggy in the oil industry and he's promoting alternative energy (like wind turbines) while pushing natural gas.

Hmmmmmmmmm...

And asking the government for money to build his wind turbines.
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September 26, 2008 11:11 p.m.
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justaname - you dam skippy. Any time a billionaire comes on tv and asks for my "support", I grab on to my wallet and hide it. If all this malarky is so dadgum profitable, why doesn't Pickens do it himself?
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GOLO member since July 17, 2007
September 26, 2008 11:35 p.m.
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As far as the debate, I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Dick Morris who opined that, as far as the economics, Obama won, as far as foreign policy, McCain won. Since the economy is a biger issue in Nov, Obama wins on points.

McCain did a great job of hammering one phrase, though: "Senator Obama just doesn't understand . . ." If he said it once, he said it a half dozen times. That is his strength, and he need sto capitalize on it. Obama is naive and inexpereineced on a lot of important issues and McCain did a good job of laying that out.

On the economy, McCain spent way to much time trying to toot his own horn and then sound like a democrat. It wasn't efective. Politics is like combat: if you aren't attacking, you're probably losing.
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September 26, 2008 11:39 p.m.
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"McCain did a great job of hammering one phrase, though: "Senator Obama just doesn't understand . . ." If he said it once, he said it a half dozen times. That is his strength, and he need sto capitalize on it. Obama is naive and inexpereineced on a lot of important issues and McCain did a good job of laying that out."

oldschool, I thought that McCain came across as a crotchety old man when he kept saying that. To me it was really condescending and patronizing.

Just shows you how people can see things differently, I guess! I do think, though, that this debate didn't do much to change anyone's minds. I'd call it a draw.
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September 26, 2008 11:42 p.m.
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I did not see a clear winner either. But I will say this. Obama's approach to foreign policy is downright scaryHe just laid out a policy that would really make a mess out of the middle east. And all of his domestic stuff was typical class warfare liberal junk.
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September 26, 2008 11:47 p.m.
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khaki - One of the things that made it efective was that Obama only tried to respond to it one time - the difference between tactics and stratgey. And when Obama tried to stress that he understood that difference, it was clear that he didn't. After that, McCain was scoring points every time he said it.

You are right it can be perceived differently, though. I will say I thought Obama came across much better than he usually does off-prompter. If I were a democrat, and considering what you had to work with, I would be happy with your candidate's performance.
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September 26, 2008 11:47 p.m.
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Yeah on Economy ,Obama did well but on foreign policy,McCain did better..as i thought he would..it was basically tat for tat for both.each had strong and weak points in all categories
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September 26, 2008 11:51 p.m.
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CTR - Keep in mind, when I say Obama "won" it is within the context of perception. McCain's failing on the economic issues stemmedlargely from his inability to express conservative ideals - except on the issue of earmarks and spending, in which I think he did fairly well but eventually became way to self congratulatory.

When Obama started talking about how he had written a letter on the bailout 2 years ago, McCain should have responded "Well, I didn't write a letter, I sponsored legislation and I went to the floor and demanded action. My party was in power and I fought to get oversight passed. It didn't pass because of opposition from powerful democrat patrons of the mortgage industry. Senator Obama, what did YOU do when YOUR party was in power."

It would have been a lot more effective than blaming Bush, who did far more to try to avoid this problem than Obama.
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September 26, 2008 11:57 p.m.
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One last observation: although Jim Lerher claimed at about midpoint that both candidates had had equal airtime, it really seemed to me that McCain was always talking. Obama seemed to have very little face time. Am I alone in that one?
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September 27, 2008 12:20 a.m.
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It was interesting to watch. McCain (as expected) was a little deeper on foreign policy, but Obama was a little better to me on the economy. Both, however, were tentative on the bailout questions in the early going - underscoring how sensitive and dynamic this issue is. From the looks of it, the debate did not change any minds that were already made up, but polling suggests a bump for Obama with independent and undecided voters.
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September 27, 2008 12:38 a.m.
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When Obama named universal pre-K as the most important new spending that he wouldn't cut, it showed how shallow he is when having to think on his feet. It was far wrose than Palin not knowing all of McCain's legislative accomplishments regarding regulation. Obama did the side-step shuffle about what he would do regarding his campaign promises and how they would be affected by the "bailout"; McCain was specific. If you want someone who speaks his lines well, and looks cool, and will lead us further into socialism, vote Obama. If you want someone who will cut spending, cut waste, and leads based on experience and believes in rewarding personal efforts, vote McCain. Like Obama said half a dozen times, "John, you are right."
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September 27, 2008 7:07 a.m.
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"thought that McCain came across as a crotchety old man when he kept saying that. To me it was really condescending and patronizing."

Like calling someone old & crotchety?

"Just shows you how people can see things differently, I guess!"

I guess so...

"I'd call it a draw."

I'd call it an exercise in futility....

If after two or more years of this never ending campaign and people are still undecided, they're too stupid to be voting for the person who means to be the Preside over my Nation - Please for the sake of your fellow Americans, if you are still undecided, don't wait until the last minute and then make a final decision on the polling day - sit this one out...
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September 27, 2008 7:20 a.m.
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"Like calling someone old & crotchety?"

v, please don't try to nitpick and spin my comments to prove your point. I stated my opinion that on this occasion and with that particular phrasing, McCain came across as a crotchety old man when he kept using a certain phrase. This was noteworthy for me, because I generally DO NOT think that McCain behaves as a crotchety old man.

I also think that *very* few people commenting here are undecided. That, however, is also just my opinion, so I'd appreciate your not spinning that comment later, too.
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September 27, 2008 8:20 a.m.
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To those who think 0bama did well on the economy ... we haven't had the economy debate yet. And there is a lot of ground both candidates will need to cover especially with regard to current bailout mess. For those who need 10 years of bad decisions summarized in 10 min, here you go : Burning Down the House http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o
amcverry
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September 27, 2008 9:10 a.m.
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"Like Obama said half a dozen times, "John, you are right." - tmedlin

Analysis of the debate show these lines for what they are - comments from a consensus-builder. He could have rephrased it into "this is an issue where we have some agreement", or some such, but his wording was much more gracious and pointed out where there is common ground between the two men. Most important of all, these moments in the debate played very well with undecided and independent voters, who react negatively to sniping and one-upmanship. The only people who were gleefully counting these points of agreement as weaknesses for Obama were the GOP analysts back at party headquarters.
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September 27, 2008 9:46 a.m.
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"That, however, is also just my opinion, so I'd appreciate your not spinning that comment later, too."

I'd appreciate you unbunching the panites there girlfriend...

If you take politics this seriously maybe you should get back on the Prozac....
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September 27, 2008 9:46 a.m.
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here's an observation that no one wants to talk about - Obama's earmarks. I believe he's put in for somewhere around 900 million in earmarks since joining the Senate...which come to about a million a day since he's been in the Senate...of course, when you consider he stopped asking for earmarks when he began campaigning, it looks even worse. Mr. Moneybags Obama - as long as it's YOUR money. I heard him say last week, something to the effect of why should we GIVE more money to the rich? THAT tells you everything you need to know - Obama thinks OUR money, is his, to dish out how he see fit...This man is not black and not white, but RED!
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September 27, 2008 10:33 a.m.
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Fox News focus group of undecided: Obama won. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup4nsIWe8A
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September 27, 2008 11:04 a.m.
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If President Mikheil Saakashvili is such a good friend to McCain, how come McCain kept butchering his name? (Although it wasn't as bad as his butchering of other names, for example Ahmadinejad)
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September 27, 2008 11:08 a.m.
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A selection of 'snap' polls from last night’s debate:

MediaCurves, Independents: 61-39 Obama [all segments to Obama as well]

CBS News, Uncommitted/Independents: 40-22 Obama

GOP/Frank Lutz, DNC/Stan Greenberg, Uncommitted: Obama won all polls/segments by varying margins.

CNN, All Viewers; Debate Overall: Obama 51-38. Economy: Obama 58-37, Iraq, Obama 52-47
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September 27, 2008 11:14 a.m.
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Why does Obama say "pok i stahn"?
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September 27, 2008 11:23 a.m.
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Because that's how it is pronounced.

LOL

Americans are known for screwing up the names of countries and cities all over the world. You only had to listen to the newsies muck up 'Beijing' over and over during the Olympics for evidence of that.
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September 27, 2008 11:24 a.m.
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Keep in mind..Its not hard to get the poll results you need to futher your agenda. What do you think CNN and the rest of the liberal media's agenda is? lol ...I knew the polls would be for Obama. Obama with his car salesman like rhetoric and unfounded arrogance has fooled the liberal moths into aimlessly beating their heads against
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September 27, 2008 12:38 p.m.
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any liberal light he cast on things. He's a one term senator, ex slum lord lawyer,sat for 20 yrs under a racist pastor and black liberational theology(but didnt inhale), that his own party members have said he wasnt experienced enough to be President. Geraldine Fararo said it right, " If Obama had of been white with his credentials, he wouldnt be where he is today." Polls! what a joke...i could do a flash poll of uncommitted voters, lol, in my neighborhood and come up with the results I wanted. I think most liberals are in the land of OZ hoping the Obama wizard will give them a brain when all the time he's not the wizard just a flying monkey for the liberal wicked witch.
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September 27, 2008 12:49 p.m.
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"What do you think CNN and the rest of the liberal media's agenda is? lol ..."

Fox News is 'Liberal media'? LOL
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September 27, 2008 1:06 p.m.
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out of 90 minutes of debating mc shame did not say the word middle class one time!!
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September 27, 2008 2:13 p.m.
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McCain did a better job then Obama,BUT Obama could sell more cars them My Man McCain!!!!!!
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September 27, 2008 2:22 p.m.
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This was supposed to have been the area (foreign policy) where McCain was to have "clobbered" Obama. He didn't. Obama was able to hold his own. Therefore Obama was able to get the edge in terms of how the analysts viewed his performance after the debates.
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September 27, 2008 7:56 p.m.
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