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effigy of obama more sacred than american flag?

Published Sep. 25, 2008

Obama Efffigy Found Hanging from Tree on Oregon Campus

(WRAL article http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/3600655/ )

NEWBERG, Ore. — Officials of a small Christian university say a life-size cardboard reproduction of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was hung from a tree on the campus, an act that outraged students and school leaders alike.

The disturbing image found near the heart of the campus recalled the days of lynchings of blacks and was all the more incongruous at a university founded by Quaker pioneers in 1891.  (Complete and detailed story at the above link)

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And yet protestors can burn the American flag without fear since it's a "protected form of speech" as evidenced by this group of Mexicans burning the American flag as they protest American immigration policies.

Why does the hanging of a carboard effigy with a length of fishing line from a tree cause more outrage and headlines than the burning of an American flag. Why is the flag burning allowed as a form of protected free speech and the hanging of a cardboard effigy seen as a reprehensible act?

I'm not saying it is a good idea to do such as those(or that) student did with the cardboard figure of Obama, but why the venom toward what is simply a form of poltical free speech.  When some protestor stands on a street or campus and burns an American flag, the Left and the Liberals are the first to applaud and call for protection of that act. Both are forms of speech. I don't care for either. But if we're going to allow the burning of a single American flag as a form of protected free speech, we should be allowing Obama effigys to be hung like Christmas ornaments across the land.

Illustration from http://www.americanpatrol.com/RALLIES/JULY42000/July4stills-1.html    (This site may make your blood boil, be warned before clicking on it)



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“I simply don't see hanging a cardboard cutout of Obama from a tree as a threat.” - OldRebel

COULD be a threat, but doesn’t have to be. Context always matters. Definitely makes it more personal. In this case, I think you assessment of the person that did this is correct.

"So either you're being childish, or your just lying to yourself."

Actually, I'm just bustin your chops..I don't even know you, man...

"And I haven't done a sewer system a good 5 years or so."

Well thanks for nothin' then....

"Burden of proof is on the accuser." "Jerry says I don't have to post links...thanks bud."

There are people on here who call for the deaths of all muslim's, one in particular, and i beleive you know this. So either you're being childish, or your just lying to yourself. And I haven't done a sewer system a good 5 years or so. And my bad, thanks for I-540. It couldn't have been done without your surveying expertise!

"What are you going to do now?"

I thinking summary dismissal - something along those lines - etc...

The proper way to dispose of a flag is to burn it.....but, I STILL can't bring myself to do it...

I know all about flag etiquette, but i still can't do it....

“Lets see some links” showing Obama calling them a “racist view” in regards to his taxes. Or “are you just designing more sewer”?

Jerry says I don't have to post links...thanks bud.

"I don't have to provide links."

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

"Shouldn't you be out driving some stakes?"

Project management pretty much keeps me in the office.

"Oh, and if i haven't thanked you, I appreciate I-40. You did a stand-up job!" You're welcome - but it was I-540 and just a portion.

Well, I guess I should thank you as well - I just took a big dump and your assistance with the sewer was greatly appreciated. Stand up job to you (or should I say sit down job - not sure of the correct congratulatory phrasing for such an occasion)

“So since your so bright, explain how one transcends race by constantly calling attention to race and passing off every negative comment against him a 'racist' view?” - viol8r

Irrelevant to this blog or my posts but…given I’ve seen TONS of “negative comment against him” with regards to his tax plan, “Lets see some links” showing Obama calling them a “racist view” in regards to his taxes. Or “are you just designing more sewer”? I’ve seen negative comments on his experience. Show me where Obama called them racist for saying that. I’ve seen negative comments on his voting record. Show me where Obama called them racist for saying that. If EVERY criticism against Obama is “deflected as nothing more than racism”, surely you should have plenty of the proof I’m asking for.

Of course even if your whining is true, it’s still irrelevant to the blog and my original comment. What are you going to do now? Talk about my mother?

I don't think you would get in trouble for burning an flag with Obama on it either....... Nooses are a different matter and a sad reminder of one of the darker episodes in us history.

I simply don't see hanging a cardboard cutout of Obama from a tree as a threat. I do see it is a sign that the person who did it was either full of hate or full of pot &/or beer...but I just don't see it as a threat to that person. Just like the Secret Service didn't see the burning of and the hanging of effigies of former presidents as valid threats.

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