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8 charged with "conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism"

Published Sep. 12, 2008

 

I have always said that the Patriot Act was a bad law that set a dangerous precedent.  It reduced certain freedoms and paved the way to more intrusive government requlation.

 

A lot of people said as long as you are not a terrorist then you have nothing to worry about.  Well the following example shows how such terminology can be twisted.

 

The thing is these 8 people were probably jerks and were going to protest in the most outlandish way possible.  They very well should have been arrested.  The problem is we see how the Patriot act is being used as precedent to start coming after citizens who are in their mind just protesting a political event.

 

I am sure they will garner little sympathy, but be sure to note that the definition of terrorist is still being defined down.  I just don’t want to look back an realize that we have been feeding people to a monster in hopes that it just eats us last.

 

 

In what appears to be the first use of criminal charges under the 2002 Minnesota version of the Federal Patriot Act, Ramsey County Prosecutors have formally charged 8 alleged leaders of the RNC Welcoming Committee with Conspiracy to Riot in Furtherance of Terrorism. Monica Bicking, Eryn Trimmer, Luce Guillen Givins, Erik Oseland, Nathanael Secor, Robert Czernik, Garrett Fitzgerald, and Max Spector, face up to 7 1/2 years in prison under the terrorism enhancement charge which allows for a 50% increase in the maximum penalty.

 

Affidavits released by law enforcement which were filed in support of the search warrants used in raids over the weekend, and used to support probable cause for the arrest warrants, are based on paid, confidential informants who infiltrated the RNCWC on behalf of law enforcement. They allege that members of the group sought to kidnap delegates to the RNC, assault police officers with firebombs and explosives, and sabotage airports in St. Paul. Evidence released to date does not corroborate these allegations with physical evidence or provide any other evidence for these allegations than the claims of the informants. Based on past abuses of such informants by law enforcement, the National Lawyers Guild is concerned that such police informants have incentives to lie and exaggerate threats of violence and to also act as provacateurs in raising and urging support for acts of violence.

 

These charges are an effort to equate publicly stated plans to blockade traffic and disrupt the RNC as being the same as acts of terrorism. This both trivializes real violence and attempts to place the stated political views of the Defendants on trial," said Bruce Nestor, President of the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild. "The charges represent an abuse of the criminal justice system and seek to intimidate any person organizing large scale public demonstrations potentially involving civil disobedience, he said."

 

None of the defendants have any prior criminal history involving acts of violence. Searches conducted in connection with the raids failed to turn up any physical evidence to support the allegations of organized attacks on law enforcement. Although claiming probable cause to believe that gunpowder, acids, and assembled incendiary devices would be found, no such items were seized by police. As a result, police sought to claim that the seizure of common household items such as glass bottles, charcoal lighter, nails, a rusty machete, and two hatchets, supported the allegations of the confidential informants.

 

http://twincities.indymedia.org/2008/sep/breaking-rnc-8-charged-conspiracy-riot-furtherance-terrorism   

 



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"If you are still not convinced after the attacks of 9/11/01 that extraordinary measures need to be taken then I guess further exchange is a waste of both of our times."

I see words and punctuation but nothing of substance said.

"What Muslim extremists were arrested in Minnesota? I think I might just enjoy watching the Patriot Act come home to roost at your house. And they will."

I see words and punctuation but nothing of substance said.

just asking that's all

If you are still not convinced after the attacks of 9/11/01 that extraordinary measures need to be taken then I guess further exchange is a waste of both of our times. What rights of those 3000 were violated that day. If radical Muslims have their way about it many thousands more will have their rights violated.

"so you are in agreement that terrorists are as dangerous and as real as vampires?" mugley43

ya know that concrete thinking processes is one of the diagnostic clues to schizophrenia right?

lighten up, francis...

(c;

ryoung and obscurite.

so you are in agreement that terrorists are as dangerous and as real as vampires?

btw that analogy works bets if you were attacked by as vampire one night, and since putting up garlic, you have not been attacked since.

rebut that by saying Patriot Act is neccessary to stop rabid Muslim extremist from killing again. - Evil.

What Muslim extremists were arrested in Minnesota? I think I might just enjoy watching the Patriot Act come home to roost at your house. And they will.

R Murrow hit the nail on the head when he said that a nation of sheep begets a government of wolves. We have learned nothing from McCarthy's paranoia and indeed have empowered our government with intrusive capabilities unpresidented since the end of the cold war.

You used this as an example of how the Patriot Act is taking away our civil liberties. I rebut that by saying Patriot Act is neccessary to stop rabid Muslim extremist from killing again. - Evil.

And I say the price is far to high. People have died to secure these freedoms for us. Yet at the first sign of any threat we just give them up.

"You used this as an example of how the Patriot Act is taking away our civil liberties. I rebut that by saying Patriot Act is neccessary to stop rabid Muslim extremist from killing again. Do you really think they are finished? They openly profess to strike us on our own soil."

Osama bin Laden is certainly a professed enemy of the United States. I'm quite confident that a united America could withstand the threat he poses.

If America's security is going to be truly in danger, it will come at the hands of someone who calls himself a patriot, and wraps himself in our flag. And no one will call him "a liberal".

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