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what would you have taken off the math tests so students can score higher?

Published Jul. 22, 2008

No child left behind is the first educational push that doesn't leave out the slower students and puts great pressure on students, teachers, schools and systems to succeed and prove it by performance. Know who is left out of that accountability? The parents are not held accountable. 

Most area schools fail 'No Child Left Behind' tests

"Education officials blame a higher target rate in math performance for the low passing rates..."

 

IF the reason was in reading or writing or anything more subjective than math, then the defense would be that teaches are teaching for the test and not teaching 'real' thinking skills or creative thinking. Math is beautiful that way. Math requires discipline. The will to learn by practice, to memorize, and compute accurately is required, because an A for effort in math doesn't cut it anywhere. You know it or you don't. You can demonstrate you do, or not. It is not cultural, not native language dependent, and math skills can be measured then compared between students, schools, counties, states, & countries.

IF instead of basketball and video games, students were dreaming of being the one who is idolized by all of America for proving Goldbach's Conjecture, then we would have some Michaelbert Jordansteins and everyone would be buying his calculators and wearing the same underwear he does. We don't have it because they don't want it. 

So, compared to other devolped countries, the USA is way behind and can't even compete in the World Math competitions. The UN needs a No Country Left Behind program.



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I don't mean for calculators to replace learning the times tables, but for higher math, for thinking problems, use them.

Calculators are as taken for granted today as pencil and paper, so would you say "LET THEM SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN THEIR HEADS"?

A word problem with extraneous information is a must, for it required real thinking, not rote routine approach to problem solving.

Tests should be more frequent, and they should be longer. In Japan they test for days, all day. We teach for 180 days, and measure for a few hours. Testing is teaching, is learning, is important.

For one generation the USA fell into NO competition, NO grading, Pass-Fail mentality where kids got an A for effort and feel good grading on subject matter that was subjective -- at the expense of truly learning something that was demonstrable. Schools pay too little to math teachers, the higher levels, so that classes were taught by teachers with little better skill than the student. All teachers want to be valued the same, but the skill level for math teachers is more demanding than for other spots. If the PE teacher wants to be able to make more money, then switch to Algebra II and show competence. Higher math hath higher demand, so pay higher.

For those who say, "I can't test" then I say, "Don't admit it" for that means you can't do well under pressure. Really, that is a turn off statement to an employer. Pressure, time lines, rough conditions, are a part of the work environment. Testing is done under ideal circumstances -- very quiet, in the morning, rested, with no distractions, with an air of this is so important. The real test comes in life under worse circumstances. The test shows you at your best.

The No child left behind is a minimum achievement level. All Wake County is asking of its students (mission statement) is to be on grade level. Someone can attack what is grade level, but how can you attack reaching minimum of grade level? What happened to outstanding?

just once, when school children take the math EOG's they do in in two days. One day is caculator active, the other is caculator inactive.

This country does not value intelligence or academic achievement. Instead we glorify fame and fortune, and wonder why the rest of the world seems to be passing us by.

To be honest with you all..I can not test...I had excellent grades in school but I can know ALL of the material but when it comes to tests...I stress out so much, that I get horrible scores on the tests...if I were in school today..I would be labeled a failure...because I wouldn't do well on these tests at all...there are children like myself out there that are experiencing the same thing. I don't think it is doing them justice if we allow this to happen. I wonder if the public knows how many tests these children are taking every year? My daughter said she took 4 comprehensive tests at the end of her Junior and Senior year in school. Don't you think that is too much?

As a teacher, my main problem with the nclb is that it tries to make all students the same--same ability, same interest, same everything--and it punishes the schools if anyone dares to be different. Whatever the people who wrote this mess are/were smoking, they need to put it down--quick.

My complaint about the EOG is that students and teachers never find out what problems students missed (or how many).

When students take a test that I have created, I can quickly see what information did or didn't get across to them, and we can correct those mistakes. If my students are given a 50 point test, they know up front that they will need to earn at least 35 points (70%) to pass the test. If the majority pass, I don't suddenly say, "Oh, 80% is the passing norm instead."

However, with the EOG, neither the teacher nor the students know what questions were missed. Some questions don't count toward the students' scores (field test questions). We don't know which questions those were, and if the students did get those right, they have no impact anyway.

We don't even know how many questions have to be answered correctly to be considered a 3 or a 4 score!! Now how can this be an effective measurement?

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