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house hearing on "torture"

Published Jul 17, 2008
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I have been watching the House committee hearing on detainee treatment and it is absoutely infuriating!

Rep. Trent Franks noted that this congress's job is to protect Americans and in the 10 hearings that have taken place, not one of the meetings was held to protect Americans, but to only protect terrorists/detainees.

The members of congress and they way they are framing their questions will make you mad enough to scream.  In their typical law school parlor game style, they ask questions, refuse to allow detailed answers, in order to get a "yes" or "no" to a question that they want on the record.

For example:

Qestion: Have detainees been tortured or murdered?

Answer: yes, but those who committed those acts have been tried and prosecuted and were not sanctioned by the Justice Dept. or President, or Secty of Defense.

Congressman (interrupting the witness): I didn't ask that, all I want is a "yes" or "no"  answer...

An important comment made by a member of congess, was, that organizations like Human Rights (testifying in this hearing) will state "The United States tortures prisoners."  A prisoner held in Maryland was recently  killed.  According to the way Human Rights reports events, they would report THAT event by stating "Maryland kills prisoners".

Now, that is what the main stream media picks up on, in order to slander and discredit not only  the president, but Defense Dept., Justice Dept. and the military, in general.

There was an incedible amount of information contained in this hearing, including discussions about poking a finger in a detainee's chest, yelling at a detainee, playing "good cop/bad cop" as methods that "international organizations" would consider torture...

If you have time, go to the c-span website, and at the bottom of the page is a section of recent videos.  Go to the detainee hearings and see it for yourself.

It will show you EXACTLY what the problem is with this congress.  If you have ANY doubt as to why this country is having the problems it is, it will become crystal clear.  The opening comments by the chairman and those testifying can be ignored...But go to the parts where they are actually questioning the panel.  Believe me, even though it's long, let the video start running in the background...about 15 minutes in, you will be shocked at what you see.  This whole country should see this 3 ring circus, where congress tries to play "gotcha", tries to distort what people in this country are doing to protect us.

http://www.c-span.org/

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While I agree that the House needs to have this hearing regarding torture and murder, I am with you in that this is absolutly NOT a "yes or no" subject.

There are entirely too many different senarios that can come into play regarding this subject and although I believe that a select number of people should know about it, some sort of "checks and balances" should be in play.

Great blog; I'll have to check out the video and hopefully I wont be tempeted to throw something at the computer.....

I think Harry Reid's "Slumber Party" last year qualified as torture: He kept the republican senators in a confined space and deprived them of sleep.

I love how Congress can sit in their comfy offices and hearing rooms and pretend to have a clue about war and interrogation.

I'm sorry, but a suspected terrorist does not have the same rights guaranteed to a US citizen....I'm sorry, but if you must beat on a terrorist to get information to prevent an attack, go right ahead..... I'd rather explain that I had to get info than explain that I couldn't while we're cleaning up after the next attack.

And, by the way terrorist attacks have been stopped through the information gathered in the interrogations.

"I think Harry Reid's "Slumber Party" last year qualified as torture: He kept the republican senators in a confined space and deprived them of sleep."

Almost forgot: He also forced them to listen to obnoxious noises in the process - ie Sen. Robert Byrd.

It's not just Congress. It's every legislative body, every courtroom, most personal relationships.

Remember, it is "The Truth, The Whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth"

Most everyone has forgotten about that middle clause.

Hey this is good news, If Maryland kills prisoners, let's send all of our prisoners to Maryland.

"Kill them all, God will recognize his own." (Arnald-Amalric, 1208)

Here's Christopher Hitchen's experience. He's a proponent of the Iraq war and he was an apologist for the techniques that the US has used without classifying them as torture. He was man enough to try it and man enough to admit he was wrong.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/02/humanrights.usa

tmedlin, I cant watch stuff like that. These clowns in Washington have no idea who we are dealing with, it's just politics for them because they never have, and never will have their rear end on the line dealing with these lunatics, it sickens me. Then some lib will come on here and talk about supporting the troops yada yada yada...... whatever. Im not saying we need to go out and butcher people the way our enemies do, but a little painful motovation to get intel is fine with me if in the end it saves American lives.

"I'm sorry, but a suspected terrorist does not have the same rights guaranteed to a US citizen..."

Citizens and non-citizens are both subject to U.S. laws (and protections) when on U.S. territory. (If you don't think Guantanamo is U.S. territory, I guess you'd have no problem with the Cubans taking over the base.)

"I'm sorry, but if you must beat on a terrorist to get information to prevent an attack, go right ahead..... "

Confessions obtained under torture have often been considered as not objective enough, since the use of such means may lead to the suspect in confessing anything.

Brigadier General David R. Irvine is a retired Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School. Here's what he thinks of the use of torture:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2005/11/why_torture_doe_1.html

How come you think torture works when interrogation experts don't?

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