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why do liberals keep lying about clinton?

Published Jul. 12, 2008

In recent weeks, I have been confronted twice by liberal no-minds who are either utterly ignorant of recent history or deliberately attempting to revise it with out-right lies.  Both have claimed that former President William Jefferson Clinton did not “lie” under oath.  Both claimed that there was some “loophole” and that it was all Judge Susan Webber Wright’s fault for failing to clarify the definition of “sexual relations”.  Both seemed to admired the verve with which the brilliant Clinton mislead without actually lying in his depostition.

 

To help us start out, below is the definition of “sexual relations” agreed to by the parties in “Jones v. Clinton”: 

“For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes -
(1) contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;
(2) contact between any part of the person's body or an object and the genitals or anus of another person; or
(3) contact between the genitals or anus of the person and any part of another person's body. "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing." – Exhibit A, deposition of William Jefferson Clinton 

Next, we have the excerpts of testimony from Mr. Clinton during that deposition:

“Q. Mr. President. . . . At any time were you and Monica Lewinsky alone together in the Oval Office?

A. I don't recall, but as I said, when she worked at the legislative affairs office, they always had somebody there on the weekends. I typically worked some on the weekends. Sometimes they'd bring me things on the weekends. She – it seems to me she brought things to me once or twice on the weekends. In that case, whatever time she would be in there, drop it off, exchange a few words and go, she was there. . . .”

  

“Q. If she told someone that she had a sexual affair with you beginning in November of 1995, would that be a lie?

A. It's certainly not the truth. It would not be the truth.

Q. I think I used the term "sexual affair." And so the record is completely clear, have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the Court. . . .

A. I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her. “

  Next, excepts from Judge Susan Webber Wright’s Order finding the President in Contempt of Court for willfully lying under oath:

“The record demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the President responded to plaintiff's questions by giving false, misleading and evasive answers that were designed to obstruct the judicial process.”

 

“Although there are a number of aspects of the President's conduct in this case that might be characterized as contemptuous, the court addresses at this time only those matters which no reasonable person would seriously dispute were in violation of this court's discovery orders and which do not require a hearing, namely the President's sworn statements concerning whether he and Ms. Lewinsky had ever been alone together and whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky. . . .”

“Simply put, the President's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false, notwithstanding tortured definitions and interpretations of the term "sexual relations." – April, 1999

 

So what gives?  Republicans disavowed Nixon , Craig, Livingston, Agnew, Lott, Cunningham – heck the list goes one.  Yet for the democrats, Bill Clinton can do no wrong and William Jefferson (democrat Congressman found with $90,000 in bribe money in his freezer) continues to “represent” his party. 

Why can’t liberals just admit Clinton was a liar?

 

(Oh, and for those ignorant buffoons who will say “Bush lied, people died.” – prove it, as I have proven MY point.  You won’t do it, because you can’t, but at least I asked.)

 



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" and sternly in October 2002, that all claims regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium were likely false."

The Brits believe Saddam was trying buy yellowcake from Niger TO THIS DAY. And, in fact, Joe Wilson confirmed that.

As to the speech Bush made early on in the war, you can hardly say that accepting one piece of intelligence over another is a "lie", particularily when reports are being fltered through "the fog of war".

As for the committee reports, okay - bipartisan committee, partisan report. Toe-ma-toe, ta-mah-toe. The report was bartisan gibberish - hardly something to be considered gospel. (Unless you are a democrat.)

" and sternly in October 2002, that all claims regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium were likely false."

sorry, forgot to say, that this info came from the cia.

Another example, regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium. Bush continued making these claims, all the way up until at least January 2003, although he had been warned as early as February 2002, and sternly in October 2002, that all claims regarding Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium were likely false.

"A partisan statment by a democrat committee is proof to you? Will that fly when republicans take over in a few years?"

It was actually a bipartisan committee.

So, here's a lie, or misrepresentation. " We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. " President Bush. Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html

That comment was made by Bush on May 28, 2003. However, on May 27, 2003, (the day before Bush made his speech) an interagency team, including the defence intelligence agency, and the central intelligence agency, sent an executive summary of their findings to the White House that indicated that these trucks were not practical for use as a bio weapons factory. This report was ignored for over a year

"remembered JFK for his death, Marilyn Monroe and Bay of Pigs."

I always thought that JFK was behind Marilyn Monroe's death. And I certainly don't understand why Liberals hail him as a Great President.

"Just rememeber...Clinton's approval rating was higher than Bush's when he came out of office"

YAYYYYYYY!!!! Big deal. Bill is still a scum bag liar and history will remember him for that as it has remembered JFK for his death, Marilyn Monroe and Bay of Pigs. Even Clinton can't buy himself a legacy. Now his final chance is gone with old Hill out of the running for president. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"I find it hard to believe he did not understand he was caught and would ultimately end up in prison."

Why would he? Can you name a democrat before him who has suffered any legal consequences for lying?

(There probably are, but I can't think of any. But I can think of PLENTY who haven't.)

I think sometimes Politicians believe they are untouchable. Jim Black is a classic example. As he ran his final campaign to get reelected, think about all the bald faced lies he told, relating to the ongoing investigation. I find it hard to believe he did not understand he was caught and would ultimately end up in prison. However, he certainly behaved as if he would not be convicted. He more or less characterized the media coverage at the time as just a witch hunt by people that were out to get him. These politicians spend so much time spinning reality, one has to wonder if the false reality they create, is what becomes the actual truth in their heads. I think in part for President Clinton, it was ego - he considered himself to be above things so insignificant to him as a court of law.

wiz - I always liked "He'd rather climb a tree and tell a lie than stand in one place with his mouth shut."

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