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jesse helms dies

Published Jul 4, 2008
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 Regardless of how you felt about Jesse's politics, one had to respect he never retreated on his core beliefs, his soul was not for sale...jack  

 

Raleigh, N.C. — Jesse Helms, the firebrand U.S. senator whose outspoken, conservative views polarized North Carolina and U.S. voters for decades, died early Friday, according to John Dodd, president of the Jesse Helms Center.

He was 86.

His cause of death was not released.

Helms served five terms in the U.S. Senate, retiring in 2003 because of his faltering health. During his 30 years in Capitol Hill, the North Carolina Republican became a powerful voice for a conservative movement that was growing both in Congress and across the country, and he used his position to speak out against issues like gay rights, federal funding for the arts and U.S. foreign aid.

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Boy the moonbats are coming out for this one-calken and drunksober - how about you two genius commentators post some evidence of your claims of racism instead of just spewing some liberal talking points.

drunksober is so ignorant that he screams about racism from the former Senator and then goes on a tirade about reparations. Punishing white people living today for what was done over a hundred years ago does not seem racist to you?

You are still a slave as are many others in this Nation. There was merely an exchange from the task masters' whips to the democrats' welfare checks.

Your ignorance keeps you and others like you in chains. Rather than make your own success in this world you have to blame all of your personal failings on those evil white republicans.

Now, hold onto your socks, this next item will shock you...Martin Luther King was a REPUBLICAN.

Democrats have owned slaves since there have been democrats. They certainly appear to have bought you, as well.

"Yep. When you have no leg to stand on, just compare a conservative with Hitler."

True. Megalomania and narcissism are pretty universal to both of them. :-D

"Doesn't work with me p rick."

Pot, meet kettle.

drunksober is so ignorant that he screams about racism from the former Senator and then goes on a tirade about reparations. Punishing white people living today for what was done over a hundred years ago does not seem racist to you? ========================================== Thats about the dumbest coment I have heard in a while, that we the whites of today dont benefit from slavery today.Why do you think all the resources are held by the whites?An alternative to reparations is to give all the land and resources to the government and then an equitable allocation worked out.How can you refuse reparations when we whites hold all resources then turn around and say we dont benefit today? Come one, i mean come on!!!!

Except the pot and the kettle are both black and in your mind it would be immoral for them to be allowed to freely associated with each other. No, for gits like you, the only way that blacks can be successful is to be forced to associated wtih whites even if they have no desire to do so since in your mind it is the whites who validate blacks. Otherwise, why have forced integration?

While I would really like to participate in this blog, I don't have much time right now. Steve, would you comment on my behalf? Because you are as right as rain.

more "gimme,gimme,gimme" blah,blah,blah. How about WORKING for what you get, like the rest of us? You can whine about reparations all you want - it won't happen...

I understand that people have very strong feelings about the politics of Jesse Helms and how they feel about him as a person but can we please keep in mind that a person has died and that his family and friends that loved him are grieving and in pain. You would expect nothing else of others if someone in your family died. And as Rev. William Barber has just said on WRAL that the moral thing to do is pray for him and his family that is grieving.

drunksober=troll

I'm sorry for the death of any one. But to be honest, when I heard Jesse Helms speak, it just made me cringe. I despise his views on race, social inclusion, integration and of course he voted down the bill to make Martin Luther King Day a National Holiday. He hated black people, that was his base. There is no hiding the truth. If North Carolina honors him in any way, it would be a sad day in America. Hopefully this is the last of racist politicians as we know them. I'm sorry, I have to speak the truth. And as Jesus said, "the truth will make us free". May God bless his soul.

Yes DrunkSober, you just keep holding to those racist views that blacks are all poor, ignorant peasents who can not survive if it were not for whites. Nevermind that the economy within the black community would be something like the world's seventh largest if it was a cohesive block. Nevermind that the black middle and upper middle class is growing in amazing percentage increases. Nevermind that blacks and whites with the same education and tenure on the job are at pay equity. Never mind that many, many blacks are entrepeneurs, owning their own businesses, and are far more successful than those redneck, beer-guzzling, baby makers you apparently go mudding with.

DrunkSober, you are scary!! Go home...

squirrelingdervish, You speak the truth. drunksober=troll=idiot

you've GOT to be kidding, "the last of racist politicians"? How about the "black caucus"?

"Except the pot and the kettle are both black and in your mind it would be immoral for them to be allowed to freely associated with each other. No, for gits like you, the only way that blacks can be successful is to be forced to associated wtih whites even if they have no desire to do so since in your mind it is the whites who validate blacks. Otherwise, why have forced integration?"

You must be getting illed. Your run-on sentences are getting longer.

I wonder how many of you actually grew up in NC in the 50's and 60's. Those were different times. When you walked in the door at Sears (Cameron Village) in 1966, there were water fountains for "whites", and "colored". No one thought anything of it, including the "colored". So you younguns, please just go to another blog. There are 3 of them now.

"Why do you think all the resources are held by the whites?"

Because they went out and got them on their own efforts instead of lying around waiting for a government check.

What specific benefits of slavery exist today? I want one good example of something of lasting value and benefit that was created with slave labor.

Railroads? Schools? Highways? Waterlines? Sewer Systems? Airports?

If you are for reparations, pay them with your money. You just leave me out of it since I had nothing to do with it. Keep your liberal white guilt to yourself.

By the way, jamess, Helms voted against the bill to create a federal holiday honoring Martin Luther King not because he was black, but because he had ties to the Communist party and he was a womanizer, a condition which Helms felt was incompatable with being a minister of God and worthy of a national honor. Then again, leftists have no problems with Clinton sullying the Oval Office by having sex with interns then lying under oath about it.

And marm seem to imply in a post that alzheimers was sort of penalty for Reagan, Helms, Hester...how do explain Ted Kennnedy's brain cancer....he will not live as long as any of the other three. We will nearly all get some sort of mental fragility if we live to 86 yo.

"I wonder how many of you actually grew up in NC in the 50's and 60's. Those were different times. When you walked in the door at Sears (Cameron Village) in 1966, there were water fountains for "whites", and "colored". No one thought anything of it, including the "colored". So you younguns, please just go to another blog. There are 3 of them now."

What does the time frame have to do with the evil of the practice? You know who truly has courage and deserves respect? Someone willing to stand in front of that crowd and say "this is wrong. Take a good long look at yourselves, people."

Doing that requires courage. Playing to the gallery of people's prejudices and hatreds just requires being an opportunist.

Exactly st8kdryver.

These leftist apologists keep insisting that if it were not for black slaves, this country would still be in something like the stone age. They attribute virtually all the infrastructure created in the Americas and particularly in the US to forced slave labor. What they ignore is that over 90 percent of all slaves were involved in agriculture, mainly tobacco, cotton,and sugar cane. Very few of them were put to work as slaves in building any of our structures, railroads, telegraph lines or the other innovations that propelled our country into superiority.

Indeed, where there WERE slaves of any great number, primarily in the south, the economy languished for many decades after the financial gains of those states which did NOT have slavery.

dan...the time frame has everything to do with our societal mentality. If not, let's give all of NC back to the Native Americans, and pay their decendents reparations. There are dozens of other racial and sexual inequities in the past in the world, many are still alive.

"Doing that requires courage. Playing to the gallery of people's prejudices and hatreds just requires being an opportunist."

It seems to be working well for the democrats. And when you start talking about fighting institutional racism in the south, remember that it was democrats that were in charge during that time frame. Democrats voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Acts. Democrats were the originators of the KKK. Democrats wrote all of the Jim Crow laws.

Democrats have always used race as a political wedge issue.

Also danriverboy, might I remind you that if it were not for white, English speaking Europeans and Americans, we would still have slavery today in America. I mean, it's not like African blacks were screaming for the end of slavery; they were making too much money off the slave trade and still have slavery today. The Spaniards were in no great rush, either, to get rid of slavery in South and Central America and the Caribbean. And you see the results of that today with a backwoods economy and racial animosity in constant conflict.

We are successful in large part because we got rid of slavery and were the first to do so. Most of the rest of the world -- China, India a lot of Africa, the Arab world, and parts of South America -- are still trying to catch up. Maybe by getting rid of slavery, they would have a chance.

"It seems to be working well for the democrats. And when you start talking about fighting institutional racism in the south, remember that it was democrats that were in charge during that time frame. Democrats voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Acts. Democrats were the originators of the KKK. Democrats wrote all of the Jim Crow laws.

Democrats have always used race as a political wedge issue."

Um, yea. Helms was a Democrat back then. He didn't switch gears until the early 70s, when it became apparent that Dems had lost the South, in LBJ's words "for a generation", and any politician seeking national office probably needed to be on the new bandwagon.

What, if anything, does that have to do with him being a bad person, regardless of what party he chose to align himself with, for supporting, quite loudly, an evil institution?

"dan...the time frame has everything to do with our societal mentality."

We'll just have to disagree. The concept of segregation is anathema to every principle this nation ostensibly stands for. Time frame has nothing to do with it. Some things are just inherently wrong regardless of when they happen.

It's easy to follow the crowd, and difficult to stand up for what is right. In this case, he was clearly on the wrong (and evil) side of that argument.

"Also danriverboy, might I remind you that if it were not for white, English speaking Europeans and Americans, we would still have slavery today in America."

Thanks, Steve. I appreciate the primer on history, but my comments were addressed to the practice / institution of segregation, not slavery. Perhaps you just became a little confused with the rapid pace of the responses and got me argument confused with someone elses?

"Um, yea. Helms was a Democrat back then. He didn't switch gears until the early 70s, when it became apparent that Dems had lost the South, in LBJ's words "for a generation", and any politician seeking national office probably needed to be on the new bandwagon."

Thank you for proving my point. Racism inherent in democrat policies is what drove the conservative democrats out of the party. Being against some particular legislation (especially liberal legislation) does not make one a racist. Most policies of liberal thought towards minorities are racist in their lowered expectatons from blacks and other minorities. The over riding thought being "those poor black folks can't make it on their own with out us rich white liberals". What a complete load...

Going to go fie up the grill - too much freedom to celebrate to be wasting time with liberals who care nothing for liberty.

Enjoy your freedoms until Obama gets elected.

Wow! Who would have thought the death of "one" man would cause all this "hateful" and "rude" remarks. If you liked Jesse Helms, that's ok. If you didn't care for him, that's ok,too. Folks, we are all entitled to our opinions, without such nasty tongue-lashing.

Racism does not exist in the USA today? Sure it does - just look at the racist comments and views from Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Reverend White.

"LET THE JOYESS NEWS BY SPREAD..."

From a moron who can't spell joyous.

Read a book idiot.

Aren't you supposed to be celebrating your freedom by clogging your arteries already?

dan, so that you know, I grad UNC in '72, protested Viet Nam, and my first Presidential vote was for George McGovern. Society really was different then just as when the Irish, Jews, Italians and others were persecuted when they came to the US. George Wallace and Lester Maddox, both southern governors in the 60's stood with ax handles and riot police to prevent blacks from registering or attending "white" colleges. Get a grip on history, those times were different and discrimination permeated society.

So change the topic and it then reads...

Were it not for the imposition of forced integration, blacks would continued to improve their living conditions, housing availability, educational opportunities, and business successes. With forced integration, blacks were immediately put at a disadvantage and their businesses suffered, their kids began to receive less of an education than before since white schools really did have inferior teachers, and they were eventually forced into ghettos instead of being encouraged to own their own land and homes.

Great legacy there.

jakenpie, you have some real issues. I would never be happy ANYBODY died, and I certainly wouldn't wish hell on anyone...

"Aren't you supposed to be celebrating your freedom by clogging your arteries already?"

Wow, how will I ever survive that blistering retort.....

And I'm grilling chicken...nothing wrong with my arteries...full of red hot American freedom loving blood...

I now return you to your liberal hate fest...

"Get a grip on history, those times were different and discrimination permeated society."

Which has what, if anything, to do with the premise that segregation is wrong by its very nature, and that he was a bad man for LOUDLY defending it?

What am I supposed to assume here? That he was simply too weak to stand up for what was right because it would have cost him too much politically, or that he didn't stand up for it because he agreed with the evil policy itself.

Either way, it doesn't garner my respect, sorry.

And with that, I'm bowing out. I'm not feeling entirely right with speaking ill of the dead, no matter how evil I felt them to be.

All Steve was trying to do was explain defacto segregation..and now everyone is coming out of the woodwork to call him a racist. I don't know or care if he is, cuz this is America and he has the right to be whatever he wants..and so does everyone else. God Bless everyone and Happy Independance Day!!

"So change the topic and it then reads...

Were it not for the imposition of forced integration, blacks would continued to improve their living conditions, housing availability, educational opportunities, and business successes. With forced integration, blacks were immediately put at a disadvantage and their businesses suffered, their kids began to receive less of an education than before since white schools really did have inferior teachers, and they were eventually forced into ghettos instead of being encouraged to own their own land and homes.

Great legacy there."

Ah, ok, I'm clear on your position now. It was murky for a second.

You're saying that you believe segregation to have been a good thing, and believe that everything would have been much better if we as a society had just left it in place. In other words, you agree with and support the policy of segregation.

Preciate the clarification.

dan, before you leave here, thanks for comments and perseverence, jack

Sen. Jesse Helms was a true patriot in the sense of the word. He was a man of compassion, integrety, and loved his country. He stood for the moral compass of a nation that was loosing its identity to those who know nothing but "hate for America". That is sad becasue on this day as we celebrate, we celebrate freeom for a nation founded on the prinicples of God's Ten Commandments. When you hear some speak of "change" you must ask what is you definition of change?? Sen Helms was a man for all the people. He never waivered on what as good and decent for a Nation to survive. Our constitituion was founded by those who knew that democracy could only survive the test of time if they were willing to die for their country in order to have religious freedom and civility along with laws of the land. God bless you Sen Helms for all that you did and showed us how to live, work, and share prosperity and truly OVERCOME!

couldn't beat the man when he was alive so beat on him when he is dead

Abolutely. I am a firm believer in voluntary private segregation. In fact, and in many instances, voluntary segregation would be far more effective in furthering the economic, educational and social standing of blacks, women, and other groups than forcing everyone into mandated integration.

I admire the man he was because he had no problem for standing up for what he believed in....He was not an apologist, like so many politicians have become, he was who he was. It was a different time way back then, and he is not nor was not the only politician on either side then or now who did not want segregation. I guess it has not gotten to the place where whites can't racist, but blacks can be....racism runs both ways.

"Abolutely. I am a firm believer in voluntary private segregation. In fact, and in many instances, voluntary segregation would be far more effective in furthering the economic, educational and social standing of blacks, women, and other groups than forcing everyone into mandated integration."

You're your own worst enemy at times. You do realize that, right?

I am proud that the first time I was eligible to vote I was able to cast my vote for Senator Helms in 1990. I was a member of the UNC College Republicans and remember all of the time we spent campaigning. Senator Helms was one of my greatest role models and I learned that when I felt strongly about something to stand my ground and not always chose the easy, popular or comfortable opinion.

I guess it has not gotten to the place where whites can't racist, but blacks can be..

common sense, you know I have actually been told that, by a well educated black man at that

Amazing that all these people speak of the hate that Senator Helms had, and in the same breath celebrate his death and wish him an eternity in hell. No hypocrisy there.

I didn't like him. He was extremely racist.

If Jesse helms is a racist then so am I. Our beliefs run side by side. Today we are so much more enlightened, politically correct and liberal, and see how the world is? Make sure you lock up tight tonight so the bad guys dont getcha. Oh how I long for the good old days..................Jesse Helms, a great American. Those who think less of him are no more than the stuff between a chickens toes.

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