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teen tried to flush newborn down toilet

Published Jun. 30, 2008

Yesterday's blog (by Sessy) got me thinking.   So I wanted to find out more. 

(AP) A 14-year-old girl gave birth in a restroom at her junior high, and the baby boy cried once before she tried to flush him down the toilet, killing him, officials said Thursday.

An autopsy confirmed the baby was alive when born Wednesday at Cedar Bayou Junior High in Baytown, near Houston. The boy was probably full term and cried before the mother, an eighth-grader, tried to flush him, said police Lt. Eric Freed. 

The mother was taken to a hospital. People who knew her at school said she wore baggy clothing, and nobody suspected she was pregnant, The Houston Chronicle reported Thursday.

School officials learned of her pregnancy when another student who was in the restroom while the eighth-grader was in labor went to ask the school nurse for help, said Kathy Clausen, spokeswoman for Baytown's Goose Creek school district.

The nurse and an assistant principal ran to the bathroom, discovered the girl had given birth and called 911.

Authorities have not announced what charges the girl will face, if any. Killing an infant is a capital crime in Texas, but 14-year-olds are too young to be eligible for the death penalty, said Geoffrey Corn, an assistant professor at South Texas College of Law.

The infant died just three days after another 14-year-old girl delivered a stillborn fetus in the bathroom of an airplane on her way back to Houston from a middle-school field trip.

Baytown is about 25 miles east of Houston.



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I am NOT TRYING TO HEAL YOU OR ANYONE ELSE.

It looks like to me that you are making EXCUSES FOR MURDER.

Where do you see a personal attack? And where/when have you seen me forming a lynch mob?

Wow, Wonder, thanks for the personal attack, that was very nice of you. Another example of how little people understand how to be considerate to victims. And no, I do not think what happened to me has happened to everyone else. For the umpteenth time, I am only asking that people CONSIDER it as a possible reason something horrible like this could happen. And I am perfectly aware that children may make their own decisions to begin their sex life at an all too early age and have no problem accept that, though sadly. I have admitted more than once in my posts that it may be possible that I am wrong but it seems you only have read what you want to. Both possibilities exist but all the people who have seemingly a desire to organize a lynch mob seem to be the ones who refuse to consider any alternative. Statistics show that what happened to me happen to MANY girls and boys and I have read of even worse abuses. Again, thanks for the armchair psyhchiatry, I feel healed now.

Some humans are just pure evil and can be evil from a very young age. I don't know that to be the case here just like you don't know she was abused.

Stepha, I honestly don't know what to say to you. 14 is old enough to know right from wrong, but yet still a child. But in this case a murdering child. It seems to me that it is very hard for you to accept the fact that this girl just could have been a regular teenager that started her sex life early. This may be because you seem to think that whatever happened to you has happened to everyone else.

You are right Wonder, she COULD have and SHOULD have left the baby, or got some kind of help. But she didnt and I am a firm believer in getting to the root cause if decisions that children make. They are not equipped to make adult decisions about adult situations and sometimes things happen to even further skew their reasoning or lack there of. And she may never make a good mother, it seems she also (maybe)has not had a good childhood. So I have a feeling there are two children to mourn for here. But then again, I have also seen people who have suffered great abuses turn it around and be wonderful people and parents.

Right now, I have a really hard time believing she would EVER be a good mother. I just cant see it.

stepha, you have been thru something a lot of us haven't.

I don't think I said anything bad should happen to the girl. I do agree she needs help. I don't know the whole story about how she became pregnant or WHY she killed her baby. I do know (according to the story) she was at school when she had the baby. No one knew she was pregnant. She could have just left the baby there.

counseling ? Im sorry I had to laugh at that, she needs to be sterlized. YOU DONT put things into babies mouths, im sure this girls mom had plenty of kids so that she would know better

Local, that is just it. I doubt that she did think it was logical or acceptable. She may have had no other choice. I could be wrong, but the others on here who would have her drawn and quartered will not even admit that it is possible that abuses so horrible could have driven her to do the only thing she felt she could do. If I am wrong, lock her up for life and throw away the key. I was molested by my father as a child. I KNEW it was not logical or acceptable but I felt I had no choice. The human mind can be twisted in many sad and sick ways. But to assume that someone has the ability or will to make a rational decision surrounded by irrational behavior is only going to make you scratch your head. Those of you who cant comprehend how a child (or anyone) could do something like this have probably not had the truly sick and demented affect your life. Consider yourself lucky, but consider that there may be circumstances beyond your realm of experience or understanding.

The 'mindset' I am speaking of is passing judgement before you have walked in someone's shoes. And I am not trying to make excuses. There is no excuse for what she did and I never said that she should not have to suffer the consequences. But I do think that the very lynch mob mentality that is going on here is the very thing that may frighten some from seeking help in desperate situations. There is no excuse, and she is a murderer but until we see the entire situation, who are we to judge? Killing this 14 yr old child (who may or may not be the victim of abuse or neglect) wont stop ot from happening again. And you are so right, she will have to live with this the rest of her life.Her ability to have future pregnancies could be affected, she may have std's as a result of the conception, severe psychological scars, cancer, and a host of other punishments. I know you will say good for her, but just maybe what she has been through already is 10x worse than your punishments.

ok so the kids who knew her at school said she wore baggy clothes and nobody suspected she was knocked up. hmm...what about her parents? i cant imagine sneaking a pregnancy by my parents when i was that age. heck, i couldnt imagine having sneaked my pregnancies by anyone when i had them in my late 20's.

this is just sick. i dont care how old she was. my 3 year old daughter knows enough not to kill other living things, how is it that a 14 year old finds it logical or acceptable to flush a baby down a toilet?

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